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In the Middle East prior to 1000 BC large forest trees covered especially the higher elevations. Israel and Jordan supported a wild animal population not unlike that of North Africa. Similar evidence exists for North and South America, Asia and Australia (Jonathan Gray, The Corpse Came Back, chapter 20). And the transition from ice age to the present desert environment took place between 2250 to 2000 BC. (See Appendix 1.)

- Evidence of Civilization Destroyed by Global Cataclysm
-In 1965 a research vessel, "Anton Brunn", was investigating the Nazca Trench, off Peru. At a depth of 6,000 feet a photograph revealed huge upright pillars and walls, some of which seemed to have writing on them. In other nearby locations, apparently artificially shaped stones lay on their sides, as though they had toppled over.
-1-In Western Australia in 1975, water drillers near Perth struck a concrete wall 30 feet below the surface.
-2-At Aix-en-Provence, France, from 1786 to 1788, coins, stumps of columns and other worked stones, were discovered 50 feet down, below eleven beds of compact limestone.
-3-At Blue Lick Springs, Kentucky, underground, below the remains of a prehistoric mastodon, was discovered a pavement of cut-stone tiles.
-4-In the autumn of 1868, in a strip of coal mine near Hammondsville, Ohio, at 100 feet below ground was found a large, smooth, slate wall covered with inscriptions similar to hieroglyphics, in lines about three inches apart. Crowds flocked to see, but the slate soon crumbled and the writing was destroyed.
-5-In November 1829, in a quarry twelve miles northwest of Philadelphia, at a depth of 69-70 feet below ground, a block of marble was found, which bore an indentation containing the raised alphabet characters 'I' and 'U'. Two years later the discovery appeared in an illustration in the American Journal of Science, vol.19, p.361.
-6-In Omaha, Nebraska, about 130 feet underground, coalminers found a carved slab of rock with diamond shapes. In the centre of each diamond was an engraving of a human face (Omaha Daily News, 1897).
-7-In 1928 in coal mine No. 5, near Heavener, Oklahoma, at a depth of two miles, miners encountered a wall composed of 12 inch cube concrete blocks polished so that all six sides acted as mirrors. About 100 to 150 yards further down the shaft, the same wall or one very similar was uncovered. That part of the mine was then filled up.
-8-Coal was NOT laid down 300 million years ago, but very recently, after civilized man.
-9-Huge stone cities, very ancient, with paved streets and tall pyramids choked with forest, have been sighted in the Amazon jungle. climate was more temperate and the rivers drained a fertile area. their alphabetic letters were Phoenician and Greek, 3,000 to 4,000 years ago. the whole Amazon basin was a shallow inland sea that existed AS RECENTLY AS 1200 BC. People wall-papered their houses with thin sheets of beaten gold. The people had fine features. They used gold coinage and operated fleets. Their buildings were of shining white stone. Their cities boasted magnificent plazas, paved streets, ornamented temples, round-topped pyramids, mansions and fountains. They erected lighthouses and used lenses and reflectors, the elements of the telescope. And the cities were walled against the sea of the Maranon (the Amazon Sea). According to native traditions, they used a light source akin to our electric bulb.
- South America was well known in antiquity. Before the jungle took over, it was resplendent with great cities. Many ancient traditions speak of an advanced culture which flourished thousands of years ago to the north and west of the Brazilian highlands. Books of wonderfully executed paintings and hieroglyphics have been found among naked Panos savages of the deep Peruvian forests near the gorge of the Ucayle, in the Amazon headwaters, in the eighteenth century. The Indians explained that the books, handed down, contained a history of events in the days of their ancestors. The pages of fine cotton, in external appearance resembling modern quarto leaves, were bound with a cover, glued together and fastened by agave threads. One of these ancient books was acquired by Fray Narcissus Gilbar and sent to Lima to be inspected by P. Cisneros, compiler of a periodical called El Mercurio Peruano.

=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:46 pm
- ANCIENT MAPS Show Land Before & After Cataclysm http://beforeus.com
- Maps show Antarctica firstly free of ice, secondly, the centre of Antarctica beginning to fill with ice (rivers and fjords being shown where today mile-thick glaciers flow) and thirdly, Antarctica after it had become mostly covered in ice. The U.S. Hydrographic Office declared one of these maps to be over 5,000 years old (Gray, Dead Men’s Secrets, pp.24-30). Similar ancient maps show Greenland before it was covered in ice; glacial actions in the Baltic countries; and northern Europe being covered by the Ice Age glaciation’s furthest advance. They were recording it as it occurred! The map illustrates this interesting fact: Before the final tearing apart of the continents, the Ice Age had begun.
[It apparently took very advanced civilization to produce the ancient maps below. The ones handed down were likely copies, but they're nonetheless usually very accurate.]
- From the various astronomical references in the Book of Job, different astronomers claim to be able to calculate the time in which Job lived, 2200-2100 BC (Miracle in Stone, pp.203-206). In his Ice Age book, Job recorded that “the waters [of the sea] harden like stone, and the surface of the deep [ocean] is frozen” (Job 38:29,30).
- Partholan’s coming to Ireland (15th century BC) says Lakes and rivers ‘break out’.
- The Zeno map, drawn in 1380 outlines the coasts of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Scotland, as well as the exact locations of islands. Greenland is shown free of glaciers. Unknown rivers and mountains have since been located in 1947-1949.
- The Camerio map of 1502 was formed on a spherical grid.
- The Zauche map of 1737 shows Antarctica free of ice. it is shown as two islands. Also shown are islands of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
- Another map drawn in 1531 by Orontius Fineus indicates that the centre of Antarctica was beginning to fill with ice. It shows rivers and fjords.
- The Mercator chart of 1569 depicts only the Antarctic coast uncovered by glaciers.
- Another, copied in 1559, the Hadji Ahmed map shows Antarctica and the Pacific coast of the United States with the land bridge that once existed between Siberia and Alaska.
- The Andrea Benincasa map (1508) indicates that Northern Europe was being covered by the Ice Age glaciation’s furthest advance.
- The Iehudi Ibn ben Zara map of 1487 shows remnants of glaciers in Britain And islands in the Mediterranean and Aegean Seas, now under water.
- The Hamy King chart (1502) indicates northern Siberian rivers emptying into the Arctic Ocean now all under ice. It also shows glacial actions in the Baltic countries. What are today huge islands in Southeast Asia are shown on this map joined to land as they once were. The map even shows an ancient Suez Canal!
- Ptolemy’s map of the North depicts a glacial sheet advancing across south-central Greenland; and at the same time it shows glaciers retreating from northern Germany and southern Sweden.
- The Orontius Fineus map has Antarctica drawn too large, although mountains and other details are accurately presented.
- The Gloreanus map (1510) shows not only the exact line of the Atlantic coast of America from Canada to Tierra del Fuego, but also the whole length of the Pacific coast.
- The King Jaime World Chart (1502) shows the Sahara Desert as a fertile land with large lakes, rivers and cities.
- The Dulcert map of 1339, tracing from Ireland to the Don River of Eastern Europe, shows great precision.
- The Hydrographic Office of the Navy verified an ancient chart called the Piri Reis map, that goes back more than 5,000 years. It contains the following:
1. The correct locations of South America, Africa, the Caribbean, Spanish, African and South American coasts and even isolated areas, like Cape Verde Island, the Azores, the Canary Islands, as well as topographies of the interiors.
2. The coastline of Queen Maud Land in Antarctica with islands and bays now below the Antarctic ice sheet and a mountain range undiscovered until 1952.
3. The Isle of Pines, Andros Island, San Salvador, Jamaica, the mouth of the Amazon and the island of Morajo.
4. Greenland, shown as three islands [as it was before glaciation].
5. Every mountain range in northern Canada and Alaska.

=========================Postby Lloyd » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:13 pm
... Online Conference Transcript
... CC is Charles. GW is Webb. LK is Lloyd.
LK: Are the ancient maps good evidence of former advanced civilization?
- Do you think there was advanced civilization that produced the Bible? Or that produced the ancient maps and other traces?
GW: Yes, I think the early Chaldean civilization was advanced, and produced maps, but I don't endorse every archaeological claim I've encountered about this.

--------------------Postby Pi sees » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:39 am
My understanding is that "Khem" refers to the black soil left behind by the flooding of the Nile.
- DATING OF ATLANTIS: Plato's proposed location for Atlantis (i.e. in the vicinity of the Azores) and time of its destruction (i.e. circa 9600 BCE) make complete sense in light of the geological evidence.
- Plato's proposed location makes sense owing to the fact that Azores Plateau is located at a 3-way intersection of the North American, Eurasian and African tectonic plates. During the Ice Age, the huge ice sheets covering northern Europe and Canada would have pressed down on the glacier-covered areas of the Eurasian and North American plates respectively; this pressure would have caused isostatic rebound in the non-covered parts of those plates, both across the plates and by channeling magma pressure down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge toward the aforementioned 3-way plate intersection. At the same time, the African plate was (and still is) pushing northwards into the Eurasian plate. The combined effects of these geological pressures would have been sufficient to raise a highly fertile but unstable landmass of a size comparable to modern-day Turkey (as per Plato's description), primarily composed of the Azores Plateau.
- The African plate was actually being forced to push into the Eurasian plate in a twisting north-eastward fashion, because the Azores Plateau was acting as an obstacle to the northwestern part of the plate; this "twisting" meant that the northwestern part of the African plate eventually started to pull away from the Eurasian plate, resulting in a loss of geological pressure critical to keeping a large Atlantic island above sea level.When the European and North American ice-sheets started to melt towards the end of the Pleistocene, the previously glaciated areas of those continents started to undergo isostatic rebound, resulting in a corresponding subsidence of the previously unglaciated parts of their respective plates as well as a loss in pressure being channeled down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge towards the Azores Plateau. In other words, Atlantis was hit with a geological triple-whammy (isostatic rebound, loss of channeled pressure down the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, and the twisting movement of Africa) about 12,000 years ago, causing the large island to sink beneath the ocean surface in a geological instant. Over the next 10+ millenia the former island continued to subside more gradually (but still very quickly in geological terms) to its present level, hence Plato's reference - based on much older accounts - to a "shallow muddy shoal" rendering the Atlantic Ocean "impassable" in the general area where Atlantis had formerly stood.

many advanced ancient ruins: Baalbek, Sacsayhuaman

=========================Postby Lloyd » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:19 pm
After the Cataclysm http://beforeus.com
The Great Pyramid’s latitude (30 degrees 00 minutes north) is precisely an “ark’s length and height” south of the remains of Noah’s Ark (39 degrees 26 minutes north) in Turkey (Persian Triangle Mystery).
Surviving today are portions of ancient world maps drawn by surveying parties before, during and after the Ice Age (See Appendix 2). At least two - the Piri Reis and Reinal - were based on a circular projection with the focal point in Egypt.
(a) the Great Flood (2345 to 2344 BC),
(b) the founding of Egypt (2250 to 2188 BC) and
(c) the Great Pyramid (2144 BC)
-EGYPT. “INCH” AND “CUBIT” LINK. In Egypt, the royal cubit of 20.6 inches is well known. The British inch is derived from the pyramid inch. One pyramid inch equals 1.0011 British inches, one 500-millionth part of the earth’s polar axis. The royal Egyptian cubit and the inch have a relationship called the Golden Ratio.
-A wreck in Turkey, believed to be the Ark, has seven examples of this .618 ratio (Jonathan Gray, The Ark Conspiracy, Chapter 8). The pre-Flood cubit used in the Ark was taken to Egypt to become the royal Egyptian cubit. It was Mizraim, Noah’s grandson, who founded Egypt.
-The Great Pyramid accurately stands in the centre of the land surface of the earth as it NOW exists and marks both the longitude and latitude at which there is more land and less sea than at any other coordinates on earth.
1. THE BUILDERS WERE NOT EGYPTIAN. 2. HISTORICAL ACCURACY WAS NOT A PRIORITY. 3. AMID ENVIRONMENTAL TRAUMA, MUCH CULTURE WAS FORGOTTEN. There was a sudden, dramatic drop in the human life span, as recorded by the ancient Chinese and the Hebrews (See The Corpse Came Back, chapter 18). Much earlier knowledge was quickly lost. The few Flood survivors, although bringing with them knowledge from the pre-Flood world, were too few in number to put most of it to practical use immediately. Population growth was rapid, so Two hundred years was all it needed [to re-establish civilization].
-BABYLON. Sumerian tradition preserved two lists of “kings” who reigned before the Flood. One contained eight names, as does the family tree of Cain, [and] the other ten names, as does the family tree of Genesis 5. After Alexander the Great had defeated Darius in 331 BC, he journeyed to Babylon and his scholars learned about the 1903 years of astronomical observations from the Chaldeans of Babylon. That placed the founding of Babylon at 2234 BC (Martin Anstey, The Romance of Bible Chronology. 1913, p.92). This is uncannily close to the biblical date for the Tower of Babel (c. 2244 BC).

=========================Postby Lloyd » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:52 am
When I looked at that map, it looked to me like the origin could have been Asia Minor as much as Africa. There are arrows pointing in that direction, Asia Minor to Africa, as well as Asia Minor to everywhere else. Besides, Egypt is in Africa and it's at least as old as Sumer, I've read. Both places seem to be origins.
--------------------Postby Grey Cloud » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:41 pm
Indus Valley civilisation is as old as Egypt and Sumer.
Most of the peoples who invaded/entered the Middle East seem to have originated somewhere in Eurasia. Where they hit the Middle East depended on which way they moved around the Caspian and/or the Black Sea. The various mountain ranges extending west from Iran to the Aegean play a big part too - only so many places they can be crossed.
--------------------Postby Brigit Bara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:59 am
The so-called 'dark age' is the result of the refusal by academics to ever acknowledge the seafaring civilisation of the Canaanites/Phoenicians.
The ancient world during 1700-722 BC was very well-connected through extensive sea trade. The shipping lanes connected the Baltic, British Isles, Africa and India with the Mediterranean. This vibrant trade between nations, languages and tribes was accomplished mainly by the Canaanites/Phoenicians--who also developed the alphabet and the first books. This is the world of the Old Testament. It was a highly interconnected world. For example, there are faience beads and also necklaces which are of the Mycenaean style in Wessex burial sites showing that trade was already developed in the north in 1450 BC. Tyre and Sidon were great seafaring cities and are some of the most mentioned people in the Old Testament.
The enormous blind-spot exhibited towards the Phoenicians is merely academic tradition.
That reminds me, I was delighted by Lloyd's mention of the possibility of Canaanite trade in the New World.
--------------------Postby Brigit Bara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:35 pm
Claude Schaeffer...archaeologist whose excavation of the ancient city of Ugarit at Ras Shamra Syria, disclosed a succession of culture from about 1195 BC back to the 6th and 7th millenia BC.
...He found that Ugarit, a coastal city and port in ancient times, was quite cosmopolitan; in various periods it showed evidence of cultural influence from Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Hittite and Mediterannean civilizations.
The tablets included texts of literary works of considerable sophistication and originality that also helped to establish the Canaanite origin of the stories of the Patriarchs in the Bible.
--------------------Postby Brigit Bara » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:25 pm
Because of Schaeffer's work in more widely distributed areas, he was able to see common stratigraphy between the locations.
The significance of this development for accurate dating is astonishing to think about.
First, this may throw an enormous spanner in the academic dating traditions, who -- due to their own biases -- relate all dates to Classical Greek and Egyptian civilizations. That in itself is an enormous problem because if they have Greek and Egyptian dates wrong, the entire system falls.
Next, the disasters which befell these ancient cities left layers in the record which can be harmonized over wide areas. With today's electron microscope technologies, depositions can be identified with confidence, because as we know every volcano or high-temperature event leaves its own fingerprint, which is unlike that of any other volcano or high-temperature event.
And Claude Schaeffer was firm in his conviction: he had identified a precise year for the 1195 BC destruction of Ugarit.

- “SCHOLARS” SABOTAGE ANCIENT DOCUMENTS: The Turin Papyrus was prepared during the late 18th Dynasty of the Pharaohs and included lists of all the kings of every dynasty of ancient Egypt through to the 18th Dynasty. This papyrus was found during a temple excavation in the 19th century. The King of Sardinia carefully preserved it and entrusted it to some “scholars” at Turin for translation. The “scholars” destroyed or hid most of it, apparently because it proved the “LONG dynastic” history of Egypt to be UNTRUE!
-The Palermo Stone contained a similar list. “unapproved researchers” can have access to only a few fragments. It is obvious that the stone was broken recently.

Also - see the practice of elongating the skull. It's spread all over the world. Perhaps the ancient "gods" had those elongated skulls, and natives were trying to imitate:
The 1,650-year-old skull of aristocrat that was deliberately deformed to show her family's wealth is unearthed in France
Such an idea: "lets tie the child's head so it elongates!" does not come easily, and everywhere at once:
The practice of intentional cranial deformation is believed to predate written history; it was practised commonly in a number of cultures that are widely separated geographically and chronologically, and still occurs today in a few places, including Vanuatu.

--------------------Postby Roshi » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:52 am
The artificial cranial deformation is spread all over the world, and it's 10 times more strange than the fact that there are similar flood stories all over the world. This not a simple thing to do, it can't just be listened to and passed on like a myth about the flood.
This practice existed in Europe, Africa, the Americas, Oceania. It's source cannot be just an idea everyone got at random - or the slow spreading of the custom from tribe to tribe - that is crazy. Tribes don't just copy customs like that (and this is a radical custom). It's origin must be ancient, in the antediluvian world, that was a global civilization, connected by ships (or flying ships) - and ruled by "gods" with long heads. As we see some pharaohs represented.
Mainstream "explanations":
Skull modification might have been done with the aim of making males look more masculine
Head shaping seems to be a human cultural achievement rooting in the belief in an 'unfinished self
--------------------Postby seasmith » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:04 pm
the Hed¡jet:
A rock-solid clue to the origin of tall head, before coming south to pharaonize Egypt-
Narmerhead.jpg http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=3357&t=1
click to enlarge

--------------------Postby Roshi » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:00 am
Conclusion: there existed and "antedeluvian" civilization. This civilization was responsible for the pyramids and all other strange ruins. It was lead by red haired "gods" - extraterestrials. People all over the world tried to imitate them by elongating the skulls of children. Look at the representation of ancient pharaohs and their long heads. This civilization was global. Check the stories about **** found in Egyptian mummies, and the red hair of Ramses:
Microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved that the king's hair was originally red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads.[68] This has more than just cosmetic significance: in ancient Egypt people with red hair were associated with the god Seth, the slayer of Osiris
Also see the stories about "sons of god" that came to earth and married human women, who then gave birth to "giants".
Genesis 6:4-5 tells of the Nephilim before and after the Flood. According to Genesis 7:23, the Nephilim were destroyed in the Flood, but Nephilim are reported after the Flood

--------------------Postby GaryN » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 pm
The Great Mystery raised the sun to its present height and, with an earthquake, destroyed the tower that Montezuma was building into the heavens, in the process changing languages so that people could no longer understand animals or other tribes.
That's interesting, the story of Babel. Now how did that find its way to Arizona, and when?


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