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Updates / UPDATES
« on: March 17, 2019, 08:48:08 pm »
KT BOUNDARY

Where is the Flood/post-Flood Boundary? (Mesozoic host sediments are post-Flood)
https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j10_1/j10_1_101-106.pdf

The fossil record - Becoming more random all the time
https://creation.com/the-fossil-record
The reality of the geologic column is predicated on the belief that fossils have restricted ranges in rock strata. In actuality, as more and more fossils are found, the ranges of fossils keep increasing. I provide a few recent examples of this, and then show that stratigraphic-range extension is not the exception but the rule. The constant extension of ranges simultaneously reduces the credibility of the geologic column and organic evolution, and makes it easier for the Genesis Flood to explain an increasingly-random fossil record.

Reliable data disconfirm a late Cenozoic post-Flood boundary
https://creation.com/reliable-data-disconfirm-late-cenozoic-post-flood-boundary
post-Flood boundary lies deeper, likely at or near the K-Pg boundary


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SOURCES + OUTLINE / Catastrophist Video Channels
« on: February 17, 2019, 11:39:05 am »
Antonio Zamora's Younger Dryas Impact etc Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM8bvhhFAB-Wmr-PeEVkGTA/videos

Randall Carlson's Catastrophist GeoCosmic REX Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/YSIproductions/videos

Sacred Geometry International
https://www.youtube.com/user/SacredGeometryAtl/videos

Brien Foerster's Ancient Tech Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/brienfoerster/videos

Mystery History's Ancient Tech Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOp-_-lVkj9MO1VPLAyHvYQ/videos

Bright Insight's Catastrophism & Ancient Tech Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsIlJ9eYylZQcyfMOPNUz9w/videos

Ancient Architects Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCscI4NOggNSN-Si5QgErNCw/videos

CMI Creation Station
https://www.youtube.com/user/CMIcreationstation/videos

Northwest Creation Network
https://www.youtube.com/user/nwcreationnetwork/videos

Ancient Amnesia
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNmjwcovasERo5-B7YWKuhA/videos

The Electric View
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQLbSHe3xr9Sa_RxyiBLP6A/videos

Thunderbolts Project
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject/videos

ZEG TV HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuwcZ63YW1SOTQUwXXkVXdg/videos

Disclosed TruthTV
https://www.youtube.com/user/DiscloseTruthTV/videos

Charles Kos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4dkC_L7uyH2ZYl_ixWASIg/videos

Pangaea Republic
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCitgISgHOvtKSnUSPoWCEMQ/videos

Newearth
https://www.youtube.com/user/everhungriescatgang/videos

All Things Human
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ-mqDCLJaBLAqxwqFN0oSA/videos



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LK4 Continental Drift & Orogeny / ICE AGE
« on: January 18, 2019, 09:57:50 pm »
ICE AGE

Only one glaciation, Michael Oard
https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j29_2/j29_2_12-13.pdf

What caused the Ice Age?
https://creation.com/what-caused-ice-age

Non-glacial landforms indicate thin Scandinavian and British-Irish Ice Sheets
https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j31_2/j31_2_119-127.pdf

Do Greenland ice cores show over one hundred thousand years of annual layers?
https://creation.com/do-greenland-ice-cores-show-over-one-hundred-thousand-years-of-annual-layers

Are the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets old?
https://creation.com/ice-sheet-age


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Updates / THOTH
« on: January 01, 2019, 06:40:32 pm »
Thoth from http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/search.cgi?zoom_query=Thoth&zoom_per_page=25&zoom_and=1&zoom_cat%5B%5D=-1

The Ship of Heaven [Aeon Journal]
... be understood apart from the basic character of the enclosed sun. Illuminated by the solar orb, Saturn's celestial dwelling presented a brightly lit half, so that as the Earth turned on its axis, earthbound observers saw two revolving semicircles of light and shadow moving in a vast pathway around the stationary orb of Saturn. Hence, our model implies that the ship was part and parcel of the sun god's enclosure. In the Egyptian Pyramid Texts, King Unas announces, "I revolve round heaven like Ra, I sail round heaven like Thoth." (23) While Ra's image is the enclosed sun, the common symbol of Thoth is the crescent-enclosure. Allowing the one image to explain the other, we see that Unas does not here engage in two separate acts, but in a single act depicted in two different ways: to revolve within the Aten is to sail in the crescent ship of Thoth. "I stand up in thy enclosure, O Maa; I sail round about," reads the Book of the Dead. (24) From such

The Hermes Connection [Aeon Journal]
... the Hindu Siva (Shiva). A revitalization of the hermetic legends in Egypt was brought to full fruition by Seti the Great of the Tanitic Dynasty-- in the second half of the 7th century B.C., according to the historical reconstruction of Velikovsky. Seti's royal name was taken from the dark god Set, another Saturnian image or avatar, whom Wallis Budge claimed was equated with Hermes/Mercury, (12) although this identification stems from the late Ptolemaic period. Seti's formalized regnal association was with the comparable Egyptian deity Thoth (12a), who is equated with Hermes. (13) Thus, Velikovsky's historiographic analysis is supported by this association. A comparison of a "dark god" with other ancient attributes pertaining to a bright effulgence presents a duality often encountered in myth. In Roman lore, for example, the Siva-like god of beginnings and endings, who was secondary only to Jupiter (Zeus), was the two-faced Janus Bifrons who also wore the broad-brimmed hat, the petasus. This Janus evolved into a solar deity and became associated

The Evolution of the Cosmogonic Egg [Aeon Journal]
... is accompanied by thunder and the shrieking wind. This is the "voice" of God. Somewhere above the sky a mighty **** reaches an orgasm that shakes the heaven...As saliva can be seen mixed with breath during forceful human speech, so the "speaking" of the divine **** is accompanied by a powerful blast of wind, the holy, creative spirit, bearing the "spittle" of semen. This "spittle" is the visible "speech" of God... (49) In fact the Egyptian Thoth, whom the theologians of Hermopolis accepted as "the true universal Demiurge," was believed to have "accomplished the work of creation by the sound of his voice alone." It was he, according to this particular theology, who was responsible for the hatching of the world-egg. (50) But since, as we have elsewhere seen, (51) the Word was synonymous with light-- and the sources really say nothing about the fructifying rain-- so must the Seed have been. The "mighty

Thanatos and Anastasis [Aeon Journal]
... by Set and the right to the throne of Egypt...Osiris was vindicated, and he was pronounced Ôjustified,' that is, Ôtrue,' or Ôrighteous of voice'" (Pyr. 316-318 ). (46) Once the verdict in favor of Osiris was delivered-- from that time forward the idea of truth was associated with [him and he became the god of truth, and of those who spoke the truth. Moreover, Osiris, having been declared true of word, or true of voice, by Thoth, went up into heaven, and reigned there as king. He also became judge of the dead [and had the power and the knowledge necessary for "weighing" [the words of men when they should be tried at the last judgment. (47) Though Jesus was ultimately crucified, Pilate could find no fault with him and "washed his hands of this innocent man's blood." Later, Jesus was even termed the "Sun of Righteousness." (48 ) Jesus and Osiris both came to preside over

Sothis and the Morning Star in the Pyramid Texts [Aeon Journal]
... the movements of the planet Venus. This view is almost certainly incorrect and has had a retarding influence upon a proper understanding of ancient Egyptian religious development. Also undermined by this new understanding of Sothis as Venus is the logic behind the identifications of other celestial bodies mentioned in the Pyramid Texts, including S3h and Horus as the Morning Star. Indeed, we would suggest a thorough reevaluation of all astral identifications in the most ancient Egyptian texts, including such apparently obvious celestial bodies as those typically assigned to Ra (the Sun), Thoth (the Moon), and the circumpolar stars. Until now the study of the most ancient texts has been governed by a uniformitarian approach to the ancient cosmos; namely, the belief that the currently most prominent celestial bodies must have been uppermost in the ancients' minds as well. The latter belief is demonstrably erroneous. A new approach to the ancient traditions is warranted, one free from preconceptions based upon the current arrangement of the solar system. The key to these researches, as always, must be the comparative method

Astral Kingship [Aeon Journal]
... Sed festival ceremony...served to neutralize the forces threatening peace" in the minds of the Egyptian populace who retained "the faint memory of past struggles" involving the unification of Egypt and feared a disintegration of that political stabilization and peace. (117) This purely sociological and earthbound interpretation of the Sed festival, on the part of Montet, falls flat, however. Furthermore, he may have misconstrued the significance of an Old Kingdom Egyptian text which referred to the divinities Horus, Set, Osiris Khenti-irty, Isis, Nephthys and Thoth as a single entity within the framework of the Sed festival. In one chapter of the Pyramid Texts, the same deities are invoked, reviled and most strongly urged to return to their place of origin and the king is forbidden to welcome them. (118 ) Montet found it "difficult to understand why [such popular gods should have been treated so harshly." If these deities were originally planetary gods then it is not at all difficult to understand why they were entreated to "return to their place of origin.

Velikovsky and the Problem of Planetary Identification [Aeon Journal]
... Jupiter. (2) The one exception, of course, was Athena, whom Velikovsky identified with the planet Venus, rather than with the Moon as per the majority of classical writers. Here we must concur with Velikovsky's judgment, although one can only shudder at the thought of what course Velikovsky's work might have taken had he retained the lunar identification of Athena. Extrapolating from the Greek sources, Velikovsky identified the ancient Egyptian gods with the planetary regents of their Greek counterparts. Ra, accordingly, was identified with the sun; Thoth with Mercury; Hathor with Venus; and Horus with Jupiter. (3) The same strategy was also employed with regard to the pantheons of Mesopotamia and India. That there are problems with Velikovsky's approach to the ancient sources has been shown by Cardona, Mewhinney, and others. (4) These writers have documented that Velikovsky's research occasionally suffered from his penchant for drawing far-reaching conclusions from a minimum of hard evidence. Cardona, for example, in his series "Child of Saturn," has expressed doubt about Velikovsky's thesis

From Myth to a Physical Model [Aeon Journal]
... the general tradition, the hero comes forth as the outflow of the heart, which is what the myths mean when they identify the hero as the externalized "will" or "desire" of the creator-king-- the Demiurge (c.f., the Greek Eros: in numerous sources one notes that the will or outflow of the creator's heart took form as the warrior hero). In the case of Egyptian symbolism the relationship can be confirmed in every major variant of the warrior hero, from Shu, to Horus, to Thoth. The heart from which the hero is born is the great goddess. Venus-Eye I believe it was O.G.S. Crawford who first drew scholars' attention to the widespread pictographs and symbolic images of what he called "the Eye Goddess." But the planet Venus he never mentioned, so he missed the key. It is incredible how frequently one encounters the identity of the planet Venus or Venus-goddess as eye or Great Eye. Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, the Americas, Polynesia-- it is everywhere. But no one

Morning Star* [Aeon Journal]
... point, Horus additionally received the epithet Heru-ahai, that is simply Horus the Pillar. (267) But because Mars, due to its eccentric orbit, was seen from Earth to periodically move down this pillar away from the encircling band, often visualized as an encircling wall, Horus was also lauded as "he who is south of [i.e., below the wall." (268 ) One last item I wish to mention, because we have to draw the line somewhere, is that in a somewhat late myth, Thoth decreed that Horus Behutet should thenceforth be called Light-giver. (269) I mention this because a near-identical name-- Light Bringer or Light Bearer, that is Lucifer-- was one of the Latin names for the Morning Star. THE DUAT When we saw Horus described as the god, or chief, of the Netherworld, the word translated as "Netherworld" by Mercer is "D3t," and/or "Dw3t," which I shall here simply render as "Dua" and "Duat."

The Crescent II [The Saturn Myth] [Books]
... enclosure." (25) Is there any direct statement that the enclosure depicted in the sign is the ship's pathway? The Egyptians called the band Aten or khu (" glory," "halo"): "Hail to you who sails in his Khu, who navigates a circle within his Aten," reads the Book of the Dead. (26) Clearly, the subject is the crescent-enclosure. In the Pyramid Texts, King Unas announces, "I revolve round heaven like Re, I sail round heaven like Thoth." While Re's image is the Aten, the common symbol of Thoth is the crescent-enclosure. Allowing the one image to explain the other, we see that Unas does not here engage in two separate acts, but in a single act depicted in two different ways: to revolve within the Aten is to sail in the crescent-ship of Thoth. (27) The circle of the Aten is the "brow" of Re, and it is on Re's brow that the texts locate the ship: "I fly up and

The Crescent [The Saturn Myth] [Books]
... . Of the black and white brothers the world knows no older example than the Egyptian pair Horus and Set. In fig. 67 the heads of Horus and Set appear upon one body, looking to the right and left. The black head of Set contrasts sharply with the light head of Horus, emphasizing the pair's role as "the two opponent gods." Closely related to Horus and Set are the twins Isis and Nephthys, often portrayed back to back (fig. 67). The Egyptian pairs Shu and Tefnut, Thoth and Maat, Sekhet and Neith all reveal a similar underlying character. In the Book of the Dead the pictograph of the two "portions" of Horus and Set is the sign, the band of the Aten. (21) The clear implication is that the sun-god's enclosure possesses two twin-like divisions, one light, the other dark. Moreover, if the circle of the Aten is half light, half dark, surely one cannot ignore the related sign, the crescent-enclosure, which appears to provide a literal illustration of the

The Great Father [The Saturn Myth] [Books]
... Ani is the hair of Nu. The face of Osiris Ani is the face of Re. The eyes of Osiris Ani are the eyes of Hathor. The ears of Osiris Ani are the ears of Ap-uat. The lips of Osiris Ani are the lips of Anpu... (24) In almost the same words, the Papyrus of Nu joins the divinities Osiris, Ptah, Anpu, Hathor, Horus, Isis, and others to the body of Re. (25) In the Memphite theology Atum, Horus, Thoth, and the company of gods became the limbs of Ptah. (26) Syncretization of this sort, though appearing absurd to us today, actually helped to preserve the original idea against the eroding forces of cultural assimilation. Faced with a growing number of competing deities, the priests proclaimed: there was only one great god in the beginning, whose body encompassed a circle of subordinate deities. In a subsequent development of the myth, the Heaven Man passed into a mythical-philosophical explanation of our Earth and the material universe as a

The Dawn of Astronomy: A Study of the Temple-Worship and Mythology of the Ancient Egyptians [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... Osiris (as a Mummy) 26 Plan of the Temple of Rameses II. in the Memnonia at Thebes 159 Osiris seated 27 Plan of Temples at Medînet-Habű 164 Various Forms of Bes-- as Warrior, Musician, and Buffoon 28 The Bent Axis of the Temple of Luxor 165 Khons-Lunus, Thoth-Lunus, the Goddess Sesheta 29 The Laying of the Foundation Stone Ceremonial 174 The Weighing of the Soul by Horus and Anubis, in Presence of Osiris 30 Plan of the Temples at Karnak, showing their Orientations to face p. 183 183 Thoth and Sesheta writing the Name of Rameses II. on the Fruit of the Persea 31 Plan of Denderah 192 Cleopatra as the Goddess Isis 32 Ruins of the Mamisi (Place of Birth) or Temple of Isis at Denderah 195 Isis (seated). 33 Ceremonial Procession in an Egyptian Temple 199 The Rising Sun Horus between Isis and Nephthys 34 Orientation of the Temple of Hathor at Denderah 202 The Goddess Nu-t 35 Capital, with Masks of Hathor with Cow's Ears 216 The Goddess Nu-t represented Double 36 The Cow of Isis 217 Various

Chapter III: the Astroxomical Basis of the Egyptiax Pantheon [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... suggests that the former was imported. In the form of Typhon the goddess Taurt is represented as a hippopotamus, while for Anubis the emblem is a jackal. In all illustrations of funeral ceremonies the above-mentioned figure largely. In the Book of the Dead we find that in the representations of the judgment of the dead, besides Osiris we have Anubis. both responsible for the weighing of the soul. With the moon we find two gods connected-- Thoth-lunus and Khons-lunus-- though the coimection is not a very obvious one. Thoth is also associated with the Egyptian year, and is variously represented, all forms, however, are based upon the ibis. For the stars generally we find a special goddess, Sesheta. Khons-Lunus Thoth-lumus The Godess Sesheta Thoth as the sacred scribe and Sesheta as the star-goddess are often represented together engaged in writing. Associated with the phenomena of morning and evening we find the following divinities. The attributes stated are those now generally accepted. This is a subject which will occupy us in the sequel. The Weighing of the Soul

Chapter XVII: the Building Inscriptions [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... temple of Hathor at Denderah. The Alignment of the Temple of Hathor at Dexderah The inscriptions state that the king while stretching the cord had his glance directed to the ak of the constellation of the Thigh-- the old name of the constellation which we now recognise as the Great Bear-- and on this line was built the new temple, "as had been done there before." The actual inscription has been translated as follows:-- "The living God, the magnificent son of Asti [a name of Thoth, nourished by the sublime goddess in the temple, the sovereign of the country, stretches the rope in joy. With his glance towards the ak [the middle? of the Bull's Thigh constellation, he establishes the temple-house of the mistress of Denderah, as took place there before." At another place the king says: "Looking to the sky at the course of the rising stars [and recognising the ak of the Bull's Thigh constellation, I establish the corners of the temple of Her Majesty." Here

Chapter XXII: Star-Cults (Continued) -- Amen-t and Khons [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... reference is different-- we have the generic name of the triad in one case, the specific name of the member of the triad in the other. As this is the first time a setting star has been in question, it is well to point out that in this case the ancient Egyptians no longer typified the star as a goddess but as a god-- and, more than this, as a dying god; for Khons is always represented as a mummy-- the Osiris form. Egyptologists state that both Thoth and Khons were moon-gods. Perhaps the lunar attributes were assigned prior to the establishment of sun-worship. I shall show, subsequently, that the temples now being considered find their place in continuous series stretching back in the case of Amen-t to 3750 B.C., and in the case of Khons to possibly long anterior date. In the case of Amen-t and Khons, therefore, where we are free from the difficulties connected with the interchange of the titles of Isis and Hathor at Denderah, the star-cults stand out much more clearly,

Chapter XXXVI: General Conclusions As to the North and South Races [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... know it did, about 3700 B.C., for one beginning at the summer solstice. In the above list I have indicated Osiris as a Moon-god. Many inscriptions might be quoted similar to the following one:-- "Salute a te, Hesiri, il signore dell eternitá. Quando tu sei in Cielo, tu apparisci come sole, et tu rinnuovi la tua forma comme Luno." [2 It has also to be borne in mind that the complicated headdress, including the goat's horns, is represented in connection with Thoth Chnemu and Osiris. [3 Later he was unquestionably a sun-god, but this would be certain to happen if the southern intruders worshipped the moon in the first line. Further, if in later times he represented both sun and moon, as he certainly did, it is not probable that he did so from the beginning. All the special symbolism refers to him as a Moon-god; he is certainly a Moon-god in the myth of Iris and Osiris, for he was cut into fourteen pieces, the number of days of

As the Cross of the Cardinal Points [Migration of Symbols (Book)]
... (Plate II). But the cardinal points still retained their importance. The sky goddess Nut was depicted bending over the earth, usually, but not always, with her head to the west and her loins to the east; her arms and legs were the four pillars of the sky. Similarly the legs of the Celestial cow of Nut and Hathor represented the four quarters. The four Horuses of the horizon were guardians of the four' quarters, or Osiris or Horus presided over the south, Set over the north, Thoth over the west and Sapdi over the east. At an earlier period, as has been indicated, Osiris was the "first of the Westerners" and Re the god of the East. In the Pyramid Texts, 204-6, Set is King of the South and Horus King of the North. 9 Dr. S. Birch has translated an Egyptian "magical text", which refers to four mansions, each four stories high, situated at Abydos, and gives the explanation: There are four mansions of life. Osiris

The Genesis of Israel and Egypt [SIS C&C Review]
... of both Egypt and Mesopotamia. In summary then Abraham and Menes share at least three outstanding features. a. Both were credited with initiating civilised life and being cultural innovators. b. Both were believed to have introduced new forms of religious worship including, almost certainly, flesh sacrifice. c. Both were associated with circumcision and were linked to a phallic cult. A further consideration adds yet more weight to the argument. Abraham, as well as Menes, are clearly related, in terms of general character, to the god Thoth/Hermes. Amongst the Egyptians, Thoth was regarded as the patron of learning and it was believed he bequeathed civilisation to mankind. It was said that he invented language, writing and medicine. The Greeks regarded Thoth (whom they associated with their own Hermes) as one of the oldest gods. He had a frivolous and impetuous nature and, it was suggested, could be destructive. It was said he assisted the Three Fates in the invention of writing, astronomy, the musical scale, the arts of boxing and ...

Egyptian Chronology - The Multiple Name Factor [SIS C&C Workshop]
... of one nome differing sensibly from those of another.'[4. Changes in religious practices and emphasis among gods also almost certainly occurred over time. The Ptolemies are known as a matter of policy to have supported the Egyptian priesthoods and temples. Hence any given Ptolemaic king probably received different Egyptian titularies or 'names' in dedications or other inscriptions in the various temples or other structures which he built, repaired, or otherwise supported in different parts of Egypt. If a Ptolemy endowed a temple that was primarily devoted to the god Thoth would the priests of that temple describe the king as a son of Thoth or a son of Ra? If he also supported another temple whose priests considered Ra as supreme, would these priests call him the son of Ra or the son of Thoth? Furthermore, if these names were basically religious and symbolic in nature, should we be surprised that the same names or minor variants of them were used in the inscriptions of many different Ptolemaic rulers who provided upkeep or financed additions to the same temples? All male Ptolemaic rulers

Shoshenq I and the Traditions of New Kingdom Kingship in Egypt [SIS C&C Review]
... Memphis, Shedsunefertem, was previously identified wrongly as an embalming table dedicated under Shoshenq I for the Apis Bull [3; however, like other fragments of his works, this was ultimately, after several phases of reuse, buried in the foundations of a later structure. At el-Hiba, between Beni Suef and el-Minya, Shoshenq I constructed a temple against the west side of the great mudbrick fortress built over a century earlier by the Theban High Priests Pinudjem and Menkheperre. This temple is dedicated to local aspects of Amun, Sekhmet and Thoth and the scenes and inscriptions were completed by Shoshenq I's successor, Osorkon I. This monument was built of an inferior quality limestone, probably quarried locally, and the walls have been eroded severely by the effects of dampness. It is nevertheless a rare example of an original building of this period. None of the monuments mentioned above is precisely dated within Shoshenq I's reign. At Karnak, however, where the grandest and best preserved of his building projects is to be found, we know that the work was not begun until

Velikovsky's "The Tomb of Ahiram" [SIS C&C Review]
... the left-hand side.- These gangs of workmen are very well documented, and the census lists which were taken at the beginning and end of each shift are very well documented as well. That is one source of information for the length of the year. Q: What happened to the other five days? Jones: They were festival days. At Deir el-Medineh there were five festival days for the five main gods they worshipped: Pharaoh Mentuhotep II, Pharaoh Amenhotep I, the god Bes, the goddess Hathor and the god Thoth. The other source of information on the length of the year is the ushabti figures, which are workman substitutes buried along with the funerary equipment of a good Egyptian burial. A set of these ushabti figures always comprises 360 figures plus a number of overseer figures, which provides one worker for each day of the year, or a gang of 10 for each of the 36 "weeks": this is another indication of the number of days in the year. Actual textual information is very difficult to assess, because we

Exodus [SIS C&C Review]
... refers to the slaughtering of the FIRST BORN (eldest) sons of Whose Name is Hidden. This was the pseudonym of the dragon Apepi [11, the great comet of myth. The eldest was also known as the First Born God, the epithet of Horus, son of Osiris. In hymn 393 of the Pyramid Texts the sky is overcast, the stars are darkened, the celestial expanses shake (or explode) and the bones of the earth tremble... etc. Warshawky made a connection between the Judgement of Thoth and Moses receiving the Law on Mount Sinai and went on to suggest that the punishment of Seth, the Bull, being ridden by Osiris, is the same story as Balaam riding a donkey [12. As a result, Warshawky claimed the Pyramid Texts must have been written after the Exodus- either the Exodus preceded the Old Kingdom or the Texts were written after the end of the Middle Kingdom. The Exodus story has as its background a human migration from one land to another, involving what became known as Palestine.

Edfu Books (Advert) [SIS C&C Review]
... and that the Israelites were paid a large tribute by Ahmose I to leave Egypt- which they used to fabricate the Tabernacle and the Ark of the Covenant. A further revelation, that springs directly from this quotation, is that the biblical Mt Sinai is most probably the Great Pyramid of Giza. If this were the case, then the circling of the 'mountains' around Sinai was in fact a ceremonial circumnavigation of Giza- a ritual that is preserved to this day by the circling of the Ka'ba in Mecca. By Ralph Ellis Thoth, Architect of the Universe Takes a radical look at the henges of Britain and the pyramids of Giza, and concludes that they were both designed to represent maps of the Earth- and each of these ancient maps comes complete with outlines of continents and lines of latitude correctly marked. The diagrams that demonstrate this are simple copies of these great monuments, but viewed from an unusual perspective. K2, Quest of the Gods Taking this idea one step further, K2 QotG identifies the precise location on the surface of the Earth that

The Exodus in the Pyramid Texts? [SIS C&C Workshop]
... the Hymn is a description of the killing of Horus the Child by Seth, and also a description of the plague of the "killing of the first born". The killing of the first born in heaven "caused" the plague on earth to be called as such. Velikovsky took great pains to rewrite bechor as bekhor, "first born" as ''chosen''.(11) I think the word may derive from the Egyptian b'ik hor (the Greek Harpocrates) and have both meanings. The "judgement of Thoth" the Hebrews saw as the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai, the punishment of Seth being ridden by Osiris as the story of Balaam and his donkey. The planet involved seems to be Venus. If I am correct, then the Hymn was written after the Exodus and this would imply that also most of the Pyramid Texts were written after the Exodus. Therefore, either the Exodus must be moved back to the Old Kingdom or the Pyramid Texts must have been written after the Middle Kingdom. The alternative that the

Alan Alford's The Phoenix Solution [SIS Internet Digest]
... Sirius symbols of the exploded planet? Did Orion mark the gateway to the heavenly Duat and the 'body of Nut'? The Nine Bows and the Shemsu-Hor as planets of the original solar system. Part Three: New Horizons. 10: THE METAPHYSICAL PYRAMID: The Double-Lion god in the Egyptian Duat, the etymology of Ta-Meri- ancient land of creation, rebirth and ascension. The two horizons or 'mountains' of the Duat. A new theory on the satellite pyramids- did they literally represent planetary satellites? The cosmic identity of Thoth, and why he was called Hermes Trismegistus? Why Egyptian sarcophagi were designed to be empty. 11: SECRETS OF ABYDOS AND GIZA: Two exploded planets in Egyptian and Mesopotamian mythology. How numerical symbolism was used to represent planetary gods in ancient Egypt. 12: KHUFU- SON OF A SATANIC GOD: A reappraisal of the Egyptian 4th Dynasty. Decoding the symbolic meaning of Sneferu's two giant pyramids at Dahshur. Evidence for Khufu being an evil tyrant and literally a 'satanic' king. Was Khufu imprisoned inside the Great Pyramid

A Critical Re-appraisal of the Book of Genesis, Part Two [SIS C&C Workshop]
... p.169. 46. Ibid., p.170. 47. Note: Before the Babel incident of Genesis chapter 11, Scripture informs us: "Now the whole earth had one language and few words" (11:1). 48. The Babylonians have a legend of a god-like being, Oannes, whom they believed to have been the original instructor of mankind. An old Babylonian account says that "for six days he instructed Alorus." The place occupied by Oannes in Babylonian stories is, in Egyptian tradition taken by Thoth. The Egyptian maintained that it was Thoth, "the lord of wisdom," who taught mankind to write. 49. Ginzberg, op. cit., p.195. 50. Wiseman, op. cit. [45, p.66. Occasional Publications Series A list of the titles complete with prices is now being prepared. Members seeking further information should contact Derek Shelley-Pearce at the address given on page 1. \cdrom\pubs\journals\workshop\w1987no2\03book.htm

Letters [SIS C&C Workshop]
... . From there, via Indonesia and Papua New Guinea, it is only a matter of island hopping to Queensland. b. In the early 1960s, British Museum scientists (no referenec given) discovered that, from about 1,000BC onwards, eucalyptus resin was employed in the embalming of the dead, among other uses. As such a commodity could only have been obtained in those times from New Guinea or Australia, did Egyptians make regular expeditions that far afield? c. The Gympie 'Ape Man' bears a resemblance to Thoth, depicted as a squatting ape prior to 1,000BC. Mr Gilmour claims to see a symbol, between the squatting legs of the 'Ape Man', identical to the Egyptian hieroglyph for a papyrus flower, Thoth's symbol as the god of writing. If I have not strained credulity too far already, may I now direct the reader's attention to an article in Nexus magazine (PO Box 30, Mapleton, Queensland 4560), April/May 1994, by Paul White? In it, he claims to have been

It's Time to Get Serious About Manetho [SIS C&C Review]
... same gentleman known by modern historians as Ramesses III? What if modern scholarship misread Manetho from the very outset? Manetho Revisited The work of the Manetho must be part of the basic toolkit for any budding Egyptologist, yet modern textbooks appear disturbingly light on information. According to a 1902 publication, 'This distinguished man was born at Sebennytus, the Thebneteret of the hieroglyphic inscriptions, and he flourished in the reigns of Ptolemy Lagus and Ptolemy Philadelphus; his name seems to be the Greek form of the Egyptian Ma'en-Tehuti, i.e. 'gift of Thoth'... He is described as a 'high priest and scribe', and bore a reputation for great learning, and he was undoubtedly admirably fitted to draw up, in Greek, the history of Egypt... He divided the kings of Egypt into thirty dynasties... Now the principal versions of the King List of Manetho are four in number, and they are found in the famous 'Chronography', which was drawn up about the end of the VIIIth century of our era by George the Monk,

Pharaoh Seti the Great and His Foreign Connections [Kronos]
... that the Greek predilection for geometric explanations of nature, their use of the "Golden Section" in pottery, sculpture, and temple alike, and even the dualism between "sensible and intelligible worlds"-- nearly definitive of Plato's system-- are as much stamped with the seals of ancient Egypt as were the doors of Egyptian tombs. All of this still leaves unaddressed the revised chronology. In this case, there are two significant pieces of Greek evidence: The Greek emphasis upon Hermes, identical in all respects to Egypt's Thoth, and the cosmological Timaeus of Plato, which contains definitive related passages to the Egyptian Book of Gates and to the theology of Heliopolis. Specialists in Egyptology know that the Book of Gates is peculiar in literary history. Thus we are not merely indicating some generic Egyptian characteristic, such as reverence for Osiris. On the Egyptian side, two matching pieces of evidence emerge: The Book of Gates inscribed on Seti's alabaster sarcophagus and also, with very minor variations, in his cenotaph at Abydos. There is also the curious story

Pharaoh Seti the (Great and His Foreign Connections - II [Kronos]
... and Neugebauer, in his Egyptian Astronomical Texts, I, try to make sense of the thing, but there is much to be said for the notion that it is not even a clock for any ordinary purpose. Neugebauer's account is worth further discussion in a later part of this series. (6) Finally, on the West side of the roof, one will find the "Dramatic Texts", usually supposed to deal with the "mysteries" involved in the relations between the principal gods of the Egyptians. Horus, Thoth, Isis, Osiris, Set, Nephthys, Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, and Nut figure strongly in these mysteries; there is a family history to unravel, and Pharaoh's relation to it or identity with it. LIVING DESCENDENTS OF SETI'S CENOTAPH The present Dalai Lama of Tibet- the Fourteenth- is, for Tibetan Buddhists, an incarnation of Chenrezi- a timeless spirit, some of whose bodies are entombed in the Potala at Lhasa. Many Occidentals may find this belief quaint and absurd. Buddhists acquainted with the

"Let There be Light" [Kronos]
... " Why would it be said that the Sun was as resplendent as the Sun? But why, then, did the ancients themselves confuse Saturn with the Sun?-- for there is no doubt that the later Egyptians, who passed the fallacy on to the Greeks, looked upon Ra as the embodiment of the solar energy. The answer to this riddle, as to many others of similar kind, is best illustrated by the story of Thamus, a mythological king of Egypt, who, with the following words, reproached Thoth for having invented writing:" 'Most ingenious Theuth [Thoth... one man has the ability to beget arts but the ability to judge of their usefulness or harmfulness... belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in

Mercury [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... Sinai refers to Sin, the Moon, so the name of Mount Nebo in Moab where Moses died (2) was called already in that early time by the name of the planet Mercury. Later in the seventh and sixth centuries before the present era, this god was much venerated, especially by the Chaldeans and other peoples of Mesopotamia, as the names of Nabopolassar and his son Nebuchadnezzar prove. (3) In earlier times Mercury was known to the Sumerians as Enki. (4) Equally pronounced was the position of Thoth, the planet Mercury of the Egyptian pantheon, the theophoric part of the name Thutmose. (5) For the northern peoples, Mercury was Odin. (6) It is characteristic that in many astronomical texts Mercury, the Greek Hermes, the Babylonian Nebo, the Egyptian Thoth, is portrayed as the planet-god which had in his dominion the physiological capacity of memory in man, (7) as well as that of speech. According to Augustine, ? speech is Mercury.? (8 ) Direct information that confirms

Deification of the Planets [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... the Moon, but prima facie with the planets. Marduk, the great god of the Babylonians, was the planet Jupiter; so was Amon of the Egyptians, Zeus of the Greeks and Jupiter of the Romans. (1) It was much superior to Shamash-Helios, the Sun. Why was it revered by all peoples? Why was the planet Mars chosen to be the personification of the god of war? Why did Kronos of the Greeks, Saturn of the Romans, play a part in hundreds of myths and legends? Thoth of the Egyptians, Nebo and Nergal of the Babylonians, Mithra and Mazda of the Persians, Vishnu and Shiva of the Hindus, Huitzilopochtli and Quetzalcoatl of the Mexicans, were personifications of planets; innumerable hymns were dedicated to them and adventures and exploits ascribed to them. ? The life of our planet has its real source in the Sun,? wrote E. Renan. ? All force is a transformation of the Sun. Before religion had gone so far as to proclaim that God must be placed in the absolute and

'KA', AND EGYPTIAN MAGIC [Quantavolution Website]
... soldiers with weapons pointing the wrong way, cut bowstrings and so on, together with magic words and instructions for use. There is also a story of a wax model of a crocodile being thrown into a river, turning into a real one, and seizing a man. Magical rites and incantations were used to install souls in animals, to cure illnesses, to provide a home for the dead person by preserving the khat, or physical body, and to raise the dead. The means for achieving all this is the god Thoth. He is referred to as the god who made Osiris victorious, just as the Greek Hermes is referred to as the slayer of the monster Argos. (Horus is called the Lord of the Divine Staff whereby all the gods have been made victorious, and Hermes Trismegistos, Thrice Great Hermes, is a name of Thoth). He was the "son of Aner, coming forth from the two Aners?" Egyptian aner is a stone. (Budge). The ibis is a bird renowned for its skill in

CHAOS AND CREATION: CHAPTER 09: THE OLYMPIAN RULERS [Quantavolution Website]
... skies. Again Seth is taking the onus for Horus' action, while Zeus is doing his own job. The next phase, perhaps upon the occasion of the destruction of planet "Apollo" and the major displacement of Mercury, sees, in Egypt, Seth and Horus battling, and in Greece, a revolt of the giants against the Olympians led by Zeus. This set of events, then, would occur over a thousand years later than the death of Osiris and would mark the appearance of Mercury, Hermes, or Thoth as a new great god-- that is, a god who is threatening the Earth with destruction. The last battle against Typhon will be described below on the occasion of the Venusian catastrophes. There Seth is Typhon. THE BONDS OF SATURN AND JUPITER The primeval clouds that had gathered around the pulsing electric axis between Sun and Super-Uranus had furnished atmosphere to the magnetic tube in which the planets grew and moved. The flow and the magnetic field diminished, but the skies were not fully open until Jovean times. Remnant gases

GODS FIRE: CHAPTER SIX: THE CHARISMA OF MOSES [Quantavolution Website]
... ; the Jewish legend says that it was a temporary moratorium on births for all people. Even birth control policies in America have been declared forms of infanticide and genocide by religious and racial minority leaders and writers. Egypt was a heavily regulated, bureaucratic state. There is something to be made of Moses' name. It is clearly Egyptian, meaning "child" or "son" [8 and lacks the surname or prefix as, for example, in the pharaoh's name, Thoth-Moses, or "Child of the God, Thoth" (Mercury, Hermes). A variant theory says Moses means the "born one" in Egyptian, which is only a clumsy version of "child." Buber says: "That Moses bears an Egyptian name, no matter whether it means 'born, child (of somebody)' or something like 'seed of the pond, of the water,' is part of the historical character of the situation; he seems to derive from a largely Egyptianized section of the people." [9 Some say the Hebrew

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 12: CATASTROPHE, MYTH AND SKY [Quantavolution Website]
... the other great cats. Wine was thought to be the blood of those who had perished in battles in the sky. Radiation was attributed to the five planets visible to the naked eye, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The eye was thought to be a source of radiation. Axe, hoe, spear and arrow were symbols of lightning and radiation. Seven is an important number, being five plus the sun and moon. The Cretan goddess is concerned, like Artemis, with both animals and radiation. Thoth, the Egyptian god of electricity who was equated with the Greek Hermes and the Roman Mercury, was active in the sky. He restarted Ra's boat when it had stopped. This Egyptian story is in harmony with accounts from elsewhere, such as the record of phenomena at the battle of Beth Horon after the Exodus, during the invasion of Palestine by the Hebrews under Joshua [Joshua X: 13. The tholos tomb, a burial chamber approached by a passage, the dromos, may be an imitation of the column rising

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 19: LIFE [Quantavolution Website]
... reversal of the Mycenean dipas, cup, or heaven. Hittite tipas is a cup, and also means 'heaven'. The Latin lanx, lanc-, dish, may be El, the one above, and ankh, life. FIVES Greek pimpremi, burn, may have a connection with the five planets that were held to radiate divine force. The Cumbrian and Welsh, i. e. Gallic, word pimp, used by shepherds counting sheep, means five. The draughts board was said to have been invented by Thoth. Alexander the Great also claimed to be the inventor. Greek pessos is a 'man' at draughts. Etruscan pes is five. The squares on the board may represent areas of the sky, and the Egyptians called the 'men' dancers. At Carthage there was an important body of five magistrates called the pentarchy. At Rome the term quinqueviratus meant a body of five officials. CAULDRONS The phenomenon described by Jeremiah as a seething pot facing the north may have had some influence on the design of ancient pottery as well as

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 22: SACRED BIRDS [Quantavolution Website]
... associated with Horus. The object appearing in Egyptian art and hieroglyphics and called the utchat, or udjat, was the eye of Horus or of Ra. The osprey, a bird of prey like the eagle, was in Latin sanqualis. As with the eagle, the Romans watched its flight. The name may incorporate sankh; the radiation of the god was thought to give life. The buteo, falcon, was watched for its flight. The ibis, which had great skill in killing snakes, was associated with the god Thoth, who was equated with the Greek Hermes and was the Egyptian electrical god par excellence. Latin ardea is a heron. It was noted for the long crest on its head. Of the two elements of the word, ar is clearly the fire. Dea is rather less obvious, but Hebrew dea, knowledge, is an attractive possibility. Ardea was the name of an Etruscan city near Rome, capital of the Rutuli. The peacock was sacred to Juno. Its Latin name was pavo. Perhaps the pattern on its

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 24: THE NORTH [Quantavolution Website]
... is light. Hungarian kivilagit means to illuminate. The Illyrians may even have been the people of the great light, since the root ur means great. Perhaps Yggdrasil is the steed [means of travel, of the light of the frightener, or the light of the frightener's steed. The name of the actual horse of Odin was Sleipnir. In Greek myth, the father of Eros, love, was Poros, the passage to the sky. This suggests a link with Dionysus and Hermes. Hermes was the Greek equivalent of Thoth, and Dionysus was one of the deities who controlled the thunderbolt. The Greeks were aware of the connection between a deity of the thunderbolt and sexual passion. Tall trees such as the pine [Greek elate, the sycamore and the cypress may be associated with the poros. Greek hule means wood [as a material. If reversed, hule becomes eluh, the final h being pronounced more like ch, as in the Scottish word loch. Egyptian ucha is a pillar. Hule, wood, is probably the tree of

SOLARIA BINARIA: PART TWO: DESTRUCTION OF THE SOLAR BINARY: CHAPTER FIFTEEN: THE JUPITER ORDER [Quantavolution Website]
... bits of the residue of a large planet, long ago exploded [103. The time of the "asteroidal explosion" is recent (Van Flandern) even under long-time reckoning; it is very recent if placed in the context of Greek legend. In this context, several events coincide and relate to the larger theory of Solaria Binaria. Apollo has a younger brother, mischievous Hermes (Mercury), who is a swift, winged messenger of Zeus (Jupiter) and the gods, who is connected with electricity (especially as Thoth, in Egypt), the creator of illusions (mental problems), and is god of thieves, travelers, and healing. He, too, becomes a great god, known to many- East Indians, Mexicans, Teutons, and others. Though Yahweh reflects Jupiter, he also has qualities of Thoth; Moses was probably a devotee of Thoth, and acts towards Yahweh as Hermes towards Zeus (de Grazia, 1983a). Astronomically, Mercury would have been next to Apollo, would have acquired atmosphere and debris

GODS FIRE: CHAPTER TWO: THE SCENARIO OF EXODUS [Quantavolution Website]
... No rulers would ever conduct any kind of discussions in which plagues were the topic, without watching the sky; they were talking of gods and the gods had one true home and one main realm- the sky. This had been true since the days of creation, thousands of years before, by ancient reckoning in many cultures. The Pharaoh did not dispute the existence of Yahweh, indeed he reasoned and behaved as a typical sceptical and sophisticated ruler: "Maybe their god, which is not unlike our gods, Amen, Thoth, and Horus, has gotten something going for them." His obduracy, of which the Bible makes much, is to a certain degree rational and prompted by his knowing full well that the Hebrew complaint was almost entirely political and economic. It was Moses' scientific renown, coupled with the increasingly terrible natural manifestations, that prompted the Pharaoh to conduct the negotiations on Moses' religious grounds. He wanted any information (and so did his advisers) that would help cope with the deteriorating general situation caused by a raging

GODS FIRE: [Quantavolution Website]
... himself to his people and, it is important to stress, to their enemies. The limitations of space on the kapporeth or coverpiece of the Ark define in part the sculpture. Unlike the winged lions and bulls, griffins and other animals fashioned as cherubim in Assyria and elsewhere, the Ark's cherubim were probably two-footed with unisexual human features [25. A later Assyrian assemblage (Figure 11) is similar. So are two figures from Egypt, showing two winged goddesses hovering protectively over idols of Osiris, in one case, and Thoth in the other [26. The cherubim could not be seated or squatting, because they were facing Yahweh, but would stand with faces elevated, says the legend [27. Figure 12 may convey some notion of their appearance, in accord with legend and with the Bible. It may be seen that their wings would be spread wide as a covering of the box so that, in effect, two platform levels would be created, one on the ample but separated pair of wings and again on the lid of the

LIVING WITH ELECTRICITY [Quantavolution Website]
... goose, Greek 'chen', was known to the Egyptians as 'chenchenur', the great cackler. At Rome, geese were sacred to Juno; they gave warning of the Gauls' night attack on the Capitol. In the 1939 -1945 war, pheasants in country districts of England gave reliable early warning of the approach of German aircraft. We have already met the hoopoe with its erectile crest. The ibis was a symbol to the Egyptians of the electrical god, because of its skill at killing snakes, and to the ibis Thoth owes the shape of his head. Thoth armed the gods for their victory over Set. The ichneumon, or mongoose, was sacred to the Egyptians because of a similar skill, that of finding crocodile eggs, and the mongoose is known for its ability to catch snakes. The jackal is sab in Egyptian. I suggest that this may be related to the Latin 'sapere', to be wise. Anubis was the jackal-headed god. Ambitious politicians and military men copied the priestly practice of dressing up in the skins of animals

QUANTAVOLUTION: COSMIC HERETICS: Part 3: Chapter 9: NEW FASHIONS IN CATASTROPHISM [Quantavolution Website]
... and cites all of his sources. It is not so easy to explain the parallels between Velikovsky and Beaumont. Velikovsky never mentioned or cited Beaumont. Could Velikovsky have read and forgotten Beaumont's books? His method of proof is entirely different; practically everything-- style, format, language, method, and evidence-- is different; only the conclusions are the same. And I should stress that when Deg came into possession of the Beaumont materials, he found them mostly unusable for methodological and theoretical reasons; Beaumont's stress upon Thoth, however, helped convince Deg that a catastrophic age ought to be assigned to the god Hermes and the Planet Mercury. Moreover, with regard to both Velikovsky and de Grazia, too many of Beaumont's conclusions are the same as theirs to explain them as sheer coincidence. I guess that either in the 1920's or 1930's when V. was in Palestine, the books, published in England and dealing with matters of interest to the Near East, made an appearance in the bookstores and were seen by V. A second possibility

GODS FIRE: [Quantavolution Website]
... , as many surmised. It denotes a young ox, an ox in the full vigour of its youth." [30 The only reason I can offer for this modification of the universal cow-bull theme is that the Israelites knew that the comet was a young body in the sky. It had not been known to them for long. The bison and bull, always with a divine celestial connection, had been worshipped and were sacred since time immemorial [31. Zeus, the thunderbolter, assumed the image of the bull. Thoth (or Hermes or Mercury) took the image of a ram, afterwards. Figure 7. Moses' Tablets and Golden Calf Heretics. La Somme le Roy, ca. A. D. 1295 British museum Add. MS 54180, folio 5v) Zeus, it will be recalled, had fathered and mothered Athene who was the Greek planet Venus. The new heavenly body, the Messiah, would take the form of a calf. The Venus connection is obvious, with Baal, then, being Venus. And for

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 27: GLOSSARY [Quantavolution Website]
... only thing that depended on the gods. Much depended in the mind of the ancients on the arrival or departure, presence or absence, of objects in the sky, especially new arrivals. Much depended, too, on the power of heroes who had divine ancestry, on divine inspiration and on radiation. libation As well as the Malatya relief which shows a god holding his thunderbolt over the cup at a libation ceremony, there is a reference to libation in the Book of the Dead which is amenable to an electrical interpretation: Thoth dwells within his hidden places and performs the ceremonies of libation unto the god who reckoneth millions of years, and he maketh a way through the firmament." [Budge's translation, p. 392 magh Hebrew for a Persian priest. Cf. Latin magnus, great. The Sibyl became maior videri, bigger in appearance, as the god Apollo inspired her. manna Egyptian bener, sweet, may be related to the Latin Venus, Vener-. mouse Greek mus, sminthos. Smintheus was one of the epithets of Apollo

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Updates / Mathis on Velikovsky +
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Paraphrasing + Comments on Miles' recent paper, Beyond Velikovsky, at http://milesmathis.com/vel2.pdf (Vel. means Velikovsky.)

_MM -- Vel. is from prominent Jewish families who faked all recent history, their modus operandi being to tell only as much truth as a project will bear, so where the truth ends, misdirection begins.

_MM -- The intent of Worlds in Collision is "eyes-off", which is to give a partial reading of data to prevent a fuller reading, like Robin Gardiner's Titanic project, which misdirected attention from Lloyd's of London, Astor et al, and the Titanic never sank at all. (LK -- Did the Olympic sink in its place?)

_MM -- Vel. claims Venus was ejected from Jupiter, then appeared as a comet and came close to Earth before settling into its present orbit. (LK -- And he said Venus is hot because it's a new planet.)

_MM -- The mainstream doesn't admit that Venus must have recently experienced a catastrophe; Venus and its spin are very round, so there was no collision, but maybe a close pass with Earth or another body.

_MM -- Vel. admits all planets have excess heat, but he gives the wrong reason; it's because Venus' poles and/or spin are reversed, causing a magnetic effect that spins incoming photons up in polar through-charge, causing more heat, and Venus' spin will reverse and go in the same direction as other planets, but it takes a long time for the Sun's charge field to reverse the spin of such a large planet.

_MM -- Vel. is wrong about Venus nearly colliding with Earth, because Earth did not heat up significantly, but only suffered darkness and other minor changes, and he's wrong about Venus' heat coming from recent formation and the mainstream is wrong about the greenhouse effect, because as Vel. said, thick Venusian clouds would block solar heat, causing cooling, not heating, and Venus reflects most of the light it receives, which also prevents heating.

_MM -- In reality Venus' heat comes up from below via the charge field. (LK -- But the charge field comes from the Sun, doesn't it, which means it comes from above, not below? If Venus were newly formed, as Vel. said, its heat would come up from below. It seems more likely that Venus was heated some other way. Maybe the flipping of its axis heated it at least partly. Talbott and Cardona thought Venus, Mars and Earth were formerly satellites of Saturn, that Saturn was a brown dwarf star that flared as a nova, and Venus was closest to Saturn, so the nova may have heated Venus too.)

_MM -- The mainstream avoids seriuosly discussing why Venus' data is so unusual; evidence indicates Venus has flipped its axis recently, but Miles can't yet calculate how recently. (LK -- Catastrophists have discussed this and have shown that the present rate of heat loss on Venus indicates that it should cool to normal levels within a few centuries or millennia.)

_MM -- It's unlikely that, as per Vel., Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a comet. (LK -- I think Vel. thought Jupiter's Great Red Spot could have been the birthplace of Venus. John Ackerman still thinks so. I think that's unlikely, but I recently noticed this article: An exoplanet loses its atmosphere in the form of a tail https://phys.org/news/2018-12-exoplanet-atmosphere-tail.html . So, even if Venus wasn't ejected from Jupiter as a new planet, it seems entirely plausible that it could have looked like a comet, if it lost some of its atmosphere in the form of a tail. Mythology around the world says Venus was a comet, which is where Vel. got the idea. And it's likely that Earth lost much of its atmosphere recently too, because large land animals needed the extra buoyancy in order to move under the present gravity conditions. And dinosaur bones have been C14 dated to only tens of thousands of years, not millions.)

_MM -- It's also unlikely that Venus was ejected as a moon from the Jupiter or Saturn systems (LK -- or others), because the present moons of those systems would still be in turmoil. (LK -- That depends on how long it takes orbits to normalize. Iapetus has a 2 million mile radius orbit around Saturn inclined at nearly 16 degrees from Saturn's equatorial plane. Dust, gases and ions earlier in the systems may have caused the circularization of orbits much quicker than without that debris. The same applies to Venus' orbit circularization.)

_MM -- Bode's law corrected explains that smaller planets should orbit nearer than large ones, thus Saturn (LK -- etc) tends to move below Jupiter's orbit (LK -- and Mars below Earth's).

_MM -- The asteroid belt was likely caused by close planetary encounters in that way, and a similar recent encounter likely involved Venus moving from a farther orbit past Earth to its present orbit and flipping on its axis while passing.

_MM -- Mars was probably involved in the asteroid belt event, as it's close to the belt, and there's plenty of room above Earth's orbit for Venus to have come from there, and Mars appears to be moving toward the gap that Venus left.

_MM -- The moon of Mars is getting closer to it because Mars is moving inward, while Earth's Moon is moving farther from Earth because Earth is moving outward and Earth's period was likely shorter. (LK -- Some ancient records say it was 360 days.)

_MM -- Venus and Earth did not dance together in Biblical times, but they may have much earlier. (LK -- Talbott and Cardona independently concluded that indeed the encounter between Earth and Venus was at least a thousand years earlier than Vel. thought and was not mentioned in the Biblical record. I think they expressed perplexity as to how Vel. concluded that Venus was involved in the plagues of the Exodus event.)

_MM -- The Moon may have previously orbited Venus, or it may have been on the far side of Earth as Venus passed etc. (LK -- Some ancient records seem to say Earth initially had no Moon.)

_MM -- Vel. was likely misdirecting readers away from evidence of the photonic charge field. (LK -- I don't know if the ruling class's experts knew about the charge field then, in 1950. Vel. and his successors, Thunderbolts, have favored electrical forces as having major effects. I'm not sure yet that Vel. was trying to misdirect. It's possible, but I need better evidence. I know some of the Thunderbolts people and it seems they just haven't been able to follow Miles' explanations well enough. Some of their forum members like many of Miles' ideas, including me, and we discuss them there sometimes. But I'm open-minded on whether there has been intentional misdirection.)

_MM -- Thunderbolts is claiming that there are no photons. (LK -- I haven't heard that. I'd say most of them consider photons as massless. If they've said there are no photons, I'd like to see where they say that. On this page https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2011/09/02/essential-guide-to-eu-introduction/ they say: "Electric fields are detectable in two ways:  when they accelerate electrons, which emit observable photons as synchrotron and Bremsstrahlung radiation, and by accelerating charged particles as electric currents which are accompanied by magnetic fields, detected through Faraday rotation of polarized light." So I think Miles needs to correct the statement.)

_MM -- The governors wanted to keep the charge field secret, except for a few military scientists. (LK -- That would be more plausible if there's evidence that military scientists have done anything that would likely have only been possible if they knew about the charge field.)

_MM -- Vel. followed the pattern of Ignaeius Donnelly who also divulged a lot of good data, but then blackwashing it. (LK -- I'm interested in what data was blackwashed.)

_MM -- By burying the data from both of them, the governors squelched discussion and research. (LK -- That's very plausible, that they intended to make anyone who discussed such subjects pariahs. However, they could have done that even if Vel. and Donnelly were not controlled opposition.)

_MM -- To keep control of science, they had to keep everyone in the gravity-only, math-based, relativity/QED fog; if the average scientist understood the charge field, a real revolution would have been quick.

_MM -- Vel. was wrong on specifics, but right in general, e.g. (LK -- cataclysmic) events weren't caused by Venus, since it passed Earth earlier, but they may have been caused by comets, asteroids and meteors, even according to his evidence.

_MM -- Vel's theory that Venus and later Mars caused the cataclysms is fanciful and unnecessarily complicated. (LK -- Thunderbolts tries to interpret the mythological records accurately and they do seem to indicate that Venus and Mars were inner moons of Saturn, which eventually destabilized and the pair caused some havoc in the inner solar system, not necessarily directly on Earth.)

_MM -- Vel. was paid to blackwash the truth, i.e. the charge field, ancient texts, amateur scientists and the public. (LK -- Maybe, but the evidence seems slim, and it seems that Vel. believed in what he found, and I don't know of evidence that anyone else guided or controlled him. He claimed that he made his discovery about Venus etc in 1939, I think, when he had the theory that Moses, not Akhenaten, was the original monotheist.)

_MM -- Before WW2 the public had considerable knowledge of science, but less and less thereafter.

_MM -- The Vel. affair pre-blackwashed Miles' findings with help from Thunderbolts. (LK -- Miles said almost nothing is said about Thunderbolts this time. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the moneyed supporters of Thunderbolts are working for the governors, but I'd be very surprised if Talbott, Thornhill, Scott, Cochrane, Cardona, van der Sluijs and others are working for them.)

_MM -- The governors weren't prepared for someone like Miles, because his methods are unprecedented and he has taken advantage of their own tools, like the internet. (LK -- I'd like to know how Miles was educated. There's an organization called the Institutes for the Advancement of Human Potential, which found that almost all kids have genius potential, and they've been trying to help parents learn how to help their kids develop that potential. So I think genius would be common if society would learn how to develop it, like IAHP teaches.)

6
SOURCES + OUTLINE / Ancient Global Cataclysm
« on: September 08, 2018, 10:38:52 pm »
(Comment on High-level Timeline of Younger Dryas Impact AND Flood of Noah at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUjWLWoOH6M )

It's nice that you follow Randall Carlson somewhat. He has a good video about Halloween, where he shows that the Taurid meteor stream used to have large objects in it that collided with Earth almost every year around November 1. The source of the impacts was in the direction of the Pleiades, which is in the constellation Taurus.

Ancient Architects is a Youtube channel that covers a lot of ancient events. It shows that Gobekli Tepi likely was a place of refuge after the Younger Dryas event, according to the translation of some of the symbology there. It shows that the Egyptian pyramids were originally only a few layers high and were used for irrigating the land for farming as north Africa was drying out after the impact events. It shows advanced civilization likely existed long before Egypt. Here's the channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCscI4NOggNSN-Si5QgErNCw/videos

An excellent website is http://NewGeology.us which shows that continental drift occurred in a short time period after a huge impact off of east Africa. It includes a page that shows that dinosaur fossils have been C14 dated to between 20 and 30 thousand years ago. Another site or video shows that coal is similarly C14 dated to mere thousands of years instead of millions.

There's a good recent video, called Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (from Pangea to Today), at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd5-dHxOQhg which shows that megatsunamis caused the Great Flood. It says it was due to rapid continental drift pulses, but NewGeology shows better that the continental drift was due to an impact. But this video does a good job explaining that these megatsunamis laid down almost all of the sedimentary rock on Earth, which mostly make up the continents. It discusses a herd of adult dinosaurs that were killed all at once in North America by the flood. They were apparently running away from tidal waves and the young ones couldn't keep up, but the waves caught up with the adults too and entombed them all.

John Baumgardner has an excellent paper called Noah’s Flood: The Key to Correct Interpretation of Earth History at https://www.socalsem.edu/noahs-flood-the-key-to-correct-interpretation-of-earth-history/ . His team explains that asteroid impacts caused the megatsunamis that caused the Great Flood.

I have a thread on Ancient Global Cataclysm on the Thunderbolts forum. Here's the latest post which includes a link to your video: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16025&p=125394#p125394 . You all may like to read through the entire thread, which started a couple years ago.

7
LK2 Fossils & Dating / Gobekli Tepe
« on: April 27, 2018, 09:25:59 pm »
DECODING GOBEKLI TEPE WITH ARCHAEOASTRONOMY: WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY?
http://maajournal.com/Issues/2017/Vol17-1/Sweatman%20and%20Tsikritsis%2017%281%29.pdf
... Many animal remains have also been uncovered in situ (Peters & Schmidt, 2004), covering a wide range of species, mainly mammals but also a few birds and the occasional fish. Importantly, several radiocarbon dating analyses have been carried out. The earliest calibrated date of the organic content of some wall plaster from one of the enclosures (Enclosure D) corresponds to an incredible 11,530 BP +/- 220 years (Dietrich & Schmidt, 2010). This is just at the end of, or shortly after, the YD period. This begs the question, is there any archaeological evidence here of the proposed event that initiated the YD period over 1,000 years earlier?
... Let us now consider another feature of pillar 43. We suggest the carved circle in the visual centre of pillar 43 can be interpreted as the sun, and the pillar is communicating a date, i.e. it is a "date stamp". Normally, the zodiacal epoch is defined by the position of the sun being "in" a particular zodiacal sign at sunrise/sunset on one of four auspicious dates in the year: the spring equinox, summer solstice, autumnal equinox or winter solstice. Using stellarium it is easy to see, when the location is set to Sanliurfa in southren Turkey (which is about 10 miles from Gobekli Tepe) and when we consider these four events1, that the hypothetical date stamp likely corresponds to one of the following four dates (with an error of around +/- 250 years - see Figure 6):
2,000 AD - Winter solstice
4,350 BC - Autumnal equinox
10,950 BC - Summer solstice
18,000 BC - Spring equinox
_These dates correspond to those when, according to stellarium, the sun is slightly above the spout of the teapot asterism of Sagittarius, i.e. when the circle-sun is just above the right wing of the vulture on the pillar. Note that it does not matter if we use the morning sunrise or evening sunset to locate the zodiacal sign - they give the same result. However, the orientation of the constellations with respect to the horizon does depend on the choice of sunrise or sunset, and for the best agreement with Pillar 43 we choose the sunset.
_Let us now consider these dates. We understand Gobekli Tepe is an authentically ancient site, and we can certainly rule out 2,000 AD. Given the established radiocarbon date [of GT] we can also rule out 4,350 BC. Of the remaining two dates, by far the closest to the radiocarbon date is 10,950 BC, based on the summer solstice, and we suggest therefore that this is the most likely date. When the uncertainty in this date estimate is taken into account, it is in very good agreement with an estimate for the date of the proposed YD event, 10,890 BC (Petaev et al., 2013).
... CONCLUSIONS. According to the catastrophist viewpoint, the Younger-Dryas event was probably caused by a cometary encounter with the Taurid complex. Can we now confirm this? No. What we can say is the following:
_ It is very likely that the people of GT had been keen astronomers for a very long time, and the low-relief carvings of animals (except snakes) symbolise specific asterisms. Pillar 43 very likely refers to the date 10,950 BC +/- 250 yrs.
_ There is a consistent interpretation of much other symbolism at GT in terms of the YD event as a cometary encounter, which supports the theory of coherent catastrophism. But we cannot be as confident in this proposal as the proposal for the date stamp. Other evidence from further excavations at GT and other sites may help to clarify this. Evidence linking GT to coherent catastrophism is as follows:
_1) A great deal of physical evidence from a wide range of earth sciences appears to support the proposal that a major event occurred around 10,890 BC. A leading candidate for this event is a cometary encounter consistent with coherent catastrophism. The date stamp on pillar 43 corresponds closely with this date.
_2) That the people of GT remained interested in this date even several millennia later suggests it was a very important event that had a significant impact on their cultural development.
_3) The headless man on pillar 43 indicates the event led to loss of life.
_4) Symbolism on pillar 18 is consistent with an event of cosmic origin. The fox symbolism, in particluar, suggests a cosmic event originating from a specific position. The belt-buckle, "eclipse" and snake symbols are consistent with a cometary encounter. But the symbolism on pillar 18 might be consistent with other astronomical interpretations as well that we have not considered.

8
Off Topic / Favorites
« on: March 28, 2018, 05:49:21 pm »
WEATHER & RIVER
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/missouri/weather-radar?play=1
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/national/weather-radar?play=1
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/national/weather-forecast-maps
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=lsx&gage=CAGM7
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=lsx&gage=GRFI2

MAIL: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui
http://mail.yahoo.com
IMAGES: https://imggmi.com/
IMAGES: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/
CL: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/
OKC: http://okcupid.com/login

SCIENCE
CC: http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=5506
CC: http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=6031
TB: http://thunderbolts.info
THOTH: http://www.saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/
CATAS: http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/search.cgi?zoom_query=
MM: http://milesmathis.the-talk.net/forum
CNPS: http://forums.naturalphilosophy.org
CNPS: http://cnps.boards.net
GEOL: http://funday.createaforum.com/index.php
CLASSES: http://futureschool.boards.net/

MISC
SLOANE: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acurezone.org%2F+%22truth%2Bin%2Bmedicine%22&ie=&oe=
ECON: https://monetarysov.wordpress.com/2017/12/27/clarity-please-2/
FSP: https://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=63.0
MWM: http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html
CD: http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/
XVID: https://www.xvideos.com/video3700378/cfnm_amateur_femdoms_fuck_and_cumshot_facial
FUTURESCHOOL: http://futureschool.boards.net/
WINWIN: http://winwin.boards.net/thread/edit/5
LIN4: http://lin4.boards.net/
FREETOWNS: http://freetowns.freeforums.net/
LOOK: http://l00k.createaforum.com/index.php
CATALINA: http://catalina.boards.net/
ILPREP: http://ilprep.createaforum.com/1-2/2-4/
BETGOV: http://bettergovt.createaforum.com/index.php
CHR: http://ChristianForums.com LenKin rawanti
CZ: http://www.curezone.org/blogs/f.asp?f=4439
CZ: http://www.curezone.org/login.asp

9
SOURCES + OUTLINE / YD Impact Links
« on: March 27, 2018, 03:12:51 pm »
Subject: More YDI
Date: Fri, March 16, 2018 10:49 pm
I read a paper a few years ago by the Firestone group that showed in detail why those who critiqued their earlier paper were way wrong. First two items may be part of that paper.

Independent evaluation of conflicting microspherule results from different investigations of the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/12/1208603109

Faulty protocols yield contaminated samples, unconfirmed results
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/18/E1651

Clovis Comet? The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis Gets a Bayesian Beating… And Survives!
http://www.theironsamurai.com/clovis-comet/

(My) Reply to YDI Skeptics (2014)
http://qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/13296.html

Chandler on the YDI Hypothesis
http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=13507

Support: comet impact may have triggered the Younger Dryas period (2012)
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/20/support-comet-impact-may-have-triggered-the-younger-dryas-period/

Carolina Bays are shock liquefaction impact features from hypersonic ice boulders launched from glacial ice sheet by cosmic impact at Younger Dryas
https://www.sott.net/article/340456-Antonio-Zamora-in-Geomorphology-Carolina-Bays-are-shock-liquefaction-impact-features-from-hypersonic-ice-boulders-launched-from-glacial-ice-sheet-by-cosmic-impact-at-Younger-Dryas

Last Ice Age happened in less than year say scientists
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech/Last-Ice-Age-happened-in.4351045.jp

The statement that an Ice Age started in less than a year seems entirely plausible, but dating said Ice Age to 13,000 years ago based on varves seems unreliable, as per the following
http://creationwiki.org/Varves

The Northeast impact Zone and the destruction of the Laurentide Ice Sheet
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/a-minnesota-impact-event/

A Catastrophe of Comets (bunch of articles such as 2 following)
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/
Mirror site: https://feet2thefire.wordpress.com/

The Younger Dryas – The Rest of The Story (2012+?)
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-younger-dryas-the-rest-of-the-story/

A thermal airburst impact structure
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/a-thermal-airburst-impact-structure/

2017
New study claims Göbleki Tepe may have been used to record meteor impacts, including Younger Dryas Event in 10890 BC (Make that 2,000BC)
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/04/mysterious-ancient-stones-confirm-comet-gave-rise-to-civilizations

2017
Two New Papers Suggest a Catastrophic Extraterrestrial Impact Event Occurred 12,000 Years Ago
http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2017/3/Two-New-Scientific-Papers-Suggest-Catastrophic-Extraterrestrial-Impact-Event

2010
Dennis Cox has reported on a major crater field in W Texas and New Mexico (re Younger Dryas: I was communicating with Cox in 2010)
http://www.thunderbolts.info/~thundes2/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=948&sid=4a39abe1b1edd128d22daf01fd6c09d3&start=105#p44247

2012
New evidence of Younger Dryas extraterrestrial impact
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/13/new-evidence-of-younger-dryas-extraterrestrial-impact/

10
LK3 Impacts / YD Impact
« on: March 27, 2018, 03:07:44 pm »
Subject: More YDI
Date: Fri, March 16, 2018 10:49 pm
Hi Mike. I think I read a paper a few years ago by the Firestone group that showed in detail why those who critiqued their earlier paper were way wrong. I thought there was probably a link to it on the Thunderbolts forum, but I haven't found it. Instead, I found the following links that relate to the YDI. Oh, wait. I now found two items that may be part of the paper I remember reading. After these first two items are the other links I found first.

Independent evaluation of conflicting microspherule results from different investigations of the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/12/1208603109

Faulty protocols yield contaminated samples, unconfirmed results
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/18/E1651

Clovis Comet? The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis Gets a Bayesian Beating… And Survives!
http://www.theironsamurai.com/clovis-comet/

(My) Reply to YDI Skeptics (2014)
http://qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/13296.html

Chandler on the YDI Hypothesis
http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=13507

Support: comet impact may have triggered the Younger Dryas period (2012)
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/20/support-comet-impact-may-have-triggered-the-younger-dryas-period/

Carolina Bays are shock liquefaction impact features from hypersonic ice boulders launched from glacial ice sheet by cosmic impact at Younger Dryas
https://www.sott.net/article/340456-Antonio-Zamora-in-Geomorphology-Carolina-Bays-are-shock-liquefaction-impact-features-from-hypersonic-ice-boulders-launched-from-glacial-ice-sheet-by-cosmic-impact-at-Younger-Dryas

Last Ice Age happened in less than year say scientists
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech/Last-Ice-Age-happened-in.4351045.jp

The statement that an Ice Age started in less than a year seems entirely plausible, but dating said Ice Age to 13,000 years ago based on varves seems unreliable, as per the following
http://creationwiki.org/Varves

The Northeast impact Zone and the destruction of the Laurentide Ice Sheet
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/a-minnesota-impact-event/

A Catastrophe of Comets (bunch of articles such as 2 following)
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/
Mirror site: https://feet2thefire.wordpress.com/

The Younger Dryas – The Rest of The Story (2012+?)
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-younger-dryas-the-rest-of-the-story/

A thermal airburst impact structure
https://craterhunter.wordpress.com/the-planetary-scaring-of-the-younger-dryas-impact-event/a-thermal-airburst-impact-structure/

2017
New study claims Göbleki Tepe may have been used to record meteor impacts, including Younger Dryas Event in 10890 BC (Make that 2,000BC)
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/04/mysterious-ancient-stones-confirm-comet-gave-rise-to-civilizations

2017
Two New Papers Suggest a Catastrophic Extraterrestrial Impact Event Occurred 12,000 Years Ago
http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2017/3/Two-New-Scientific-Papers-Suggest-Catastrophic-Extraterrestrial-Impact-Event

2010
Dennis Cox has reported on a major crater field in W Texas and New Mexico (re Younger Dryas: I was communicating with Cox in 2010)
http://www.thunderbolts.info/~thundes2/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=948&sid=4a39abe1b1edd128d22daf01fd6c09d3&start=105#p44247

2012
New evidence of Younger Dryas extraterrestrial impact
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/13/new-evidence-of-younger-dryas-extraterrestrial-impact/

11
SOURCES + OUTLINE / Miscellany
« on: January 16, 2018, 03:46:52 pm »
Dymaxion World Map for ET
http://geospex.github.io/NSPE_Lectures_sp15/Class_4_Lecture/img/47c4.png
http://geospex.github.io/NSPE_Lectures_sp15/Class_4_Lecture/Class_4_index.html#46

Antarctic pattern
15d40'27.59N  146d3'2.22E

Antarctica = Atlantis = large mass in ocean of space; Cayce predicted Russia would save mankind
JOSEPH FARRELL: ANTARCTICA ATLANTIS! EDGAR CAYCE POSEIDIAN FIRE CRYSTAL - DARK JOURNALIST
Myth: Atlantis = Large Mass that vanished in the Ocean of Space
https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=80-gYbUgoss
Egyptian artifacts found in Turkey at 46' (dating to 10,000BC is wrong)
- https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=I1gVVArdB_g
- https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=enZQt7PldDQ

Olympus Mons to Valles Marineris
https://i1.wp.com/www.volcanocafe.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Mars-Tharsis.jpg?resize=700%2C494

Lightning Data
Data from NASA’s space-based optical sensors revealing the uneven distribution of worldwide lightning strikes.
Units: flashes/km2/yr. Image credit: NSSTC Lightning Team.
http://www.aharfield.co.uk/img/lightningmap_2001.gif
_The estimated peak power per lightning stroke is 10^12 watts (1,000,000,000,000 watts or 1,000 Giga Watts). The total energy in a large thunderstorm is thought to be enough to power the whole of the USA for 20 minutes.
_A tall thunderstorm cloud can hold over a 100 million volts of potential. The voltage potential in a lightning bolt is proportional to its length, and varies depending on the diameter of the bolt, air density and impurities of the air (humidity, dust, ash). The electrical breakdown of air (ionisation) normally take 3,000,000 volts per metre, however with the ambient electric fields of a charged thunder cloud and impurities in the air, ionisation normally takes place at much lower voltages during a storm. Lab tests have shown a leader will advantage if the tip of the streamer is about 4.5kV (4500v) for a negative charge and 5.5kV (5500v) for a positive charge.
_The current in a lightning strike typically ranges from 5,000 to 50,000 amperes depending on the strength of storm. NASA has recorded strikes of 100,000 amperes and there are other reports of strikes over 200,000 amperes.
_[There are few lightning strikes in cold climates or over oceans. Most lightning occurs in central Africa and in all of Africa south of the Sahara, South & Central America & southern U.S., East Indies, eastern south Asia, northern Australia]

AH: Total Lithosphere Thickness
http://peterbird.name/publications/2008_torque_balances/012_total_lithosphere-Earth5N.jpg

Two Deep Wells Oklahoma
http://www.wnd.com/2005/11/33630/
From 1972 through 1974, the company engineered and drilled two Oklahoma natural-gas commercial wells at depths greater than 30,000 feet (approximately 5.7 miles) – the No. 1-27 Bertha Rogers well (total depth 31,441 feet) and the No. 1-28 E.R. Baden well, both located in the Anadarko Basin, and east-west trending basin in West-Central Oklahoma.

Shungite Formed Electrically
http://www.svpwiki.com/Shungite
_Fullerenes are produced by 2 processes: Combustion of carbon-bearing fuels, and high voltage, high current density, electrical discharges through existing carbon deposits, such as coal.
_In the Kerelia region of Northwest Russia, very large deposits of a mineral now known as shungite (some percentage of fullerines is found in all shungite varieties) were discovered and used for water purification, as far back as Napoleon's time.

Shungite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shungite
_Occurrence[edit]
_Shungite has to date mainly been found in Russia. The main deposit is in the Lake Onega area of Karelia, at Zazhoginskoye, near Shunga, with another occurrence at Vozhmozero.[1] Two other much smaller occurrences have been reported in Russia, one in Kamchatka in volcanic rocks and the other formed by the burning of spoil from a coal mine at high temperature in Chelyabinsk.[5] Other occurrences have been described from Austria, India, Democratic Republic of Congo[1] and Kazakhstan.[6]
_Formation[edit]
_Shungite has been regarded as an example of abiogenic petroleum formation,[4] but its biological origin has now been confirmed.[3] Non-migrated shungite is found directly stratigraphically above deposits that were formed in a shallow water carbonate shelf to non-marine evaporitic environment. The shungite bearing sequence is thought to have been deposited during active rifting, consistent with the alkaline volcanic rocks that are found within the sequence. The organic-rich sediments were probably deposited in a brackish lagoonal setting. The concentration of carbon indicates elevated biological productivity levels, possibly due to high levels of nutrients available from interbedded volcanic material.[3]
_The stratified shungite-bearing deposits that retain sedimentary structures are interpreted as metamorphosed oil source rocks. Some diapiric mushroom-shaped structures have been identified, which are interpreted as possible mud volcanoes. Layer and vein shungite varieties, and shungite filling vesicles and forming the matrix to breccias, are interpreted as migrated petroleum, now in the form of metamorphosed bitumen.[3]

_Geo: Study claims Don Juan Pond in Antarctica, among the saltiest waters on Earth, is fed from deep below
https://www.sott.net/article/368156-Study-claims-Don-Juan-Pond-in-Antarctica-among-the-saltiest-waters-on-Earth-is-fed-from-deep-below
_Geo: Mysterious deep-Earth seismic signature explained?
https://www.sott.net/article/368870-Mysterious-deep-Earth-seismic-signature-explained
_Geo: Drilling in Texas leads to uptick in earthquakes
https://www.sott.net/article/369003-Drilling-in-Texas-leads-to-uptick-in-earthquakes-as-sleeping-faults-reawaken
_Geo: 10 easy ways you can tell for yourself that the Earth is not flat
https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

Worldwide sedimentary basins + oil producing areas
https://i.stack.imgur.com/avQQz.gif

The Geologic Column and its Implications for the Flood
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/basin3.gif

A Global Digital map of Sediment Thickness
https://igppweb.ucsd.edu/~gabi/sediment.html
https://igppweb.ucsd.edu/~gabi/seds/sed.thick.gif

Major types and distribution of sedimentary basins around the world
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/227181317_fig1_Fig-2-Major-types-and-distribution-of-sedimentary-basins-around-the-world-produced
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stefan_Bachu/publication/227181317/figure/fig1/AS:302396665286662@1449108391920/Fig-2-Major-types-and-distribution-of-sedimentary-basins-around-the-world-produced.png

Lithological map of the world
https://hub.globalccsinstitute.com/publications/global-storage-resources-gap-analysis-policy-makers/a21-world-scale
https://hub.globalccsinstitute.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/620xH/publications/23707/advanced/fig-072.jpg

Petroleum Oil
https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Petroleum+Oil
https://img.tfd.com/ggse/6e/gsed_0001_0017_0_img4531.png



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EU DEBATE / 1st Tectonics Discussion
« on: October 23, 2017, 03:04:03 pm »
CNPS SPECIAL PROJECT. (((Sunday 6pm Eastern Time))) -- This Project is expected to last a few months. I hope to have discussions weekly or so.
[NEXT TIME MAYBE: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N6DSuZNzgPVRcVhct1_voeGVYgMOzkUcflWg1J2ddIM/edit ]
DIRECTIONS: PLEASE STATE INITIALS & FIRST & LAST NAME IN CHAT BOX AT LOWER RIGHT. START EACH PARAGRAPH WITH YOUR INITIALS.
(If this page freezes on your computer, you may need to reopen the link at https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/CritiquePlateTectonics )
_LK: Hi All. Thanks for your participation. This is for live discussion to question mainstream Plate Tectonics & our own alternative models.
---- The Tectonics Models being compared are ET: Expansion Tectonics; PT: Plate Tectonics; ST: Surge Tectonics; EU: Electric Universe; ESU: Electrostatic Universe; & SD: Shock Dynamics (Links at bottom. Bruce & Louis left early comments at the bottom. Bruce's were accidentally deleted.)
_LK: Below I list the main claims of each model in 5 categories of claims. Let's discuss in the spaces between each category. Let me know if I stated any of the claims incorrectly.
PT is the mainstream position. Let's share BRIEF arguments & links to important evidence in each category against PT & Let's ask important questions for each model. More than one person can write at a time (even in different sections).
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1. HOW THE EARTH FORMED.
<ET: (F:) Earth formed by gravitational accretion as per the Nebular Hypothesis. Then Earth (and other celestial bodies with magnetic fields) expanded significantly over millions of years.
<PT: (F:) Stars & planets form by gravitational accretion of cosmic dust as per the Nebular Hypothesis
<ST: (F:) Earth formed by gravitational accretion as per the Nebular Hypothesis.
<EU: (F:) Condensed plasma, could have been created and destroyed many times
<ESU: (F:) Stars and planets form by implosions of galactic electrostatic filaments, which produce current-free electric double-layers within the bodies, which produce radiation, earthquakes, volcanism etc.
<SD: (F:) The protocontinent [supercontinent] formed from a massive body that also formed the Moon.
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_LH: Earth formation - any scientific theory has to be compatible with the culture of the society that uses it. For judeo-christians that means Big Bang model and all its problems. This is the standard model. Proposing acceptable alternatives involves also explaining and replacing the core societal beliefs bundled as religion.
_LK: 1B=Have_ Charles Chandler has the best evidence against the Nebular Hypothesis that I know of. I'll see if I can get the link. He says matter wouldn't accrete in space, that if it condensed too much the heat or hydrostatic pressure would force it apart. __ http//:qdl.sds-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/12682.html
_LH: PN Oat, writing from the Hindu perspective, assumed everything was created "as is" billions of years ago, so a suitable rhetorical assumption could avoid having to deal with the something from nothing idea.
_LH: 1A=Need_ Chandler is right - accretion is not observed, nor can one assume protons accumulating in a core since repulsion has to be factored in. High density phases best explained as Z-pinch products. ===
_LH: 2C=Need_ Planets could be fizzled out stars that are now escaping from Z-Pinch compressive forces? ===
_LK: Bruce, {I meant Louis} can you give more details on how plasma would condense?
_BL: 1B=Have_ Plasma condenses within the Chestahedron geometry, see __Frank Chester wonder of seven. Condensation happens during a charging phase, while plasma dissipation occurs during discharging. The magnetic field also strengthens and weakens from charging and discharging respectively. ===
_MF: The problems with accretion are well known, but I have not focused on this issue. Is the formation of any planetary systems being seen today by astronomers?
_BL: 2B=Need_ The supposed Nibiru, i.e. brown dwarfs near the Sun, seem to be condensation vortices from current charging of the solar system. The coronal holes appear to be the areas where charge enters opened up by magnetic poles of the planets. ===
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2. HOW THE CRUSTAL FEATURES FORMED.
<ET: (C:) Earth oceans are where most expansion has occurred at Earth's surface. Earth's mass increase comes from the solar wind, which causes expansion at the core-mantle boundary inside the Earth.
<PT: (C:) Islands formed and mantle convection caused them to slowly form a supercontinent. Mantle convection caused the supercontinent to slowly split apart into continents.
<ST: (C:) Earth shrank significantly over millions of years, due to cooling & the lithosphere contains a worldwide network of deformable magma surge channels in which partial magma melt is in motion, due to Earth contraction and rotation. Flood basalt covering most of the seafloor and parts of continents originated from surge channel ruptures. Oceanization is the tendency of continental land to sink and become seafloor.
<EU: (C:) Electrical circuits heat and cool (expand and contract), Surge Theory with an electrical reinterpretation makes the most sense for our model.
<ESU: (C:) Stars decay, eventually becoming gas giant planets, which lose atmosphere and become rocky planets.
<SD: (C:) A giant meteorite impact north of what is now Madagascar divided the protocontinent into the continents and islands via Shock Dynamics.
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_MF: 1C=Have_ Earth is not currently expanding, according to __Wu et. al. 2011 Geophysical Research Letters Accuracy of the International Terrestrial Reference Frame -- origin and Earth expansion, which uses "multiple precise geodetic data sets" to determine that "the mean radius of the Earth is not changing to within 1 sigma measurement uncertainty of 0.2 mm per yr". They averaged "weekly instantaneous frame origins spanning 26 years of Satellite Laser Ranging observations."
_LH: 3C=Need_ So earth is in volumetric stasis. __Vadim Anfilov years ago interpreted Oz seismic data that shrinkage or cooling is happening.
_BL: 2C=Need_ More likely a pulsating earth due to charging and discharging phases... ===
_MF: 1C=Need_ PT does not explain the positions of crustal features as a whole on the Earth, only locally. However, there is a pattern discernible beginning at a central point just north of Madagascar. Landmasses that moved went away from that point. This is a foundation of SD. ET superficially explains many features, especially if one looks only at the Atlantic Ocean region, but it is no longer obvious in the Southeast Asia region. ET also struggles to explain compression mountain building during expansion, and why mid-ocean ridges show varying speeds at different locations along the ridges, as between the central and south mid-Atlantic ridge. ===
_BL: 3C=Have_ There is an expansion at the equator during El Nino's, from EQ joule heating or warming of the mantle. It moves toward the equator with increasing viscosity and centrifugal forcing. This returns back to a contraction during La Nina. This is according to the __GRACE satellite mission data. Chestahedron geometry shows how this oscillation works. Whether or not there is net expansion or contraction was not addressed in the discussion and remains an open question depending on the time interval under review.
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3. HOW MILE-THICK SEDIMENTARY STRATA FORMED.
<ET: (S:) (See JM Manuscript)
<PT: (S:) Sedimentary rock strata were deposited in shallow seas on the continents over millions of years.
<ST: (S:)
<EU: (S:) Sedimentation occurs constantly, can be chemical precipitates, weathered rock, turbidites etc. -- This has been covered well in many text books
<ESU: (S:)
<SD: (S:) During this Flood orbiting asteroid-caused tsunamis deposited sediment from the continental shelf onto the protocontinent.
- As atmospheric pressure fell, much calcium carbonate precipitated from the sea water, forming thick sedimentary rock with fossils.
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_LH: 4A=Need_ Thick sediments are "usually" explained by erosion of adjacent mountains over long periods of time. Cliff Ollier would call this the "geological cycle", and is the standard model. Problem is that water cannot transport loads on horizontal planes - so having uniform sandstone deposits hundreds of miles laterally requires miraculous water. Even Gerry Pollack can't rig EZ water to do this, so I 've suggested, after watching the Star Wars Rogue One movie, that massive sediments are formed by electrified erosional products of deeply weathered regoliths via a sort of magnetohydrodynamic process. Very catastrophic in nature, however. ===
_LK: 1A=Need_ Louis, what about an asteroid or other large body orbiting Earth causing megatsunamis that swept mud and sand onto the continent/s from the continental shelf forming sedimentary rock? Also, CO2 in seawater degassed and formed limestone? ===
_MF: Is there evidence for "the bulk removal of crust on the Earth"? Do you mean continental crust or mud and sand?
_BL: 4B=Need_ This fits the arc blast concept of ocean basins being removed electrically. ===
_MF: I can imagine it, but where did all the continental crust disappear to? It currently averages 35 km thick.
_LH: 5C=Need_ Adds weight to the Sial-Sima macro structure proposed years ago too. ===
_MF: 2A=Need_ The work of sedimentologist Guy Berthault has demonstrated that moving water carrying sediment deposits multiple layers simultaneously. Over 40 documented "megaflood" deposits illustrate this, as do the Columbia and Mt Saint Helens landscapes. Many sedimentary geological formations extend over hundreds of thousands of square miles. ===
_LH: 6A=Need_ My field experience negates this - flowing water over bedrock is actually EZ water with a liquid crystal internal structure. It cannot pick up sediment loads. Water in bulk mode can. It's like water sliding over the bedrock like a fluidised glacier. However adding plasma forces makes it easier to explain massive sedimentary deposits. ===
_MF: 3A=Need_ Moving water has enormous erosive and carrying power, including large rocks, and loss of flow energy releases the load. ===
_LH: 7B=Need_ Observations of tsunamis making landfall doesn't seem to involve picking up bedrock - every thing on top and loose is picked up. A common error is arguing the consequent - here that sediments are deposited by water, and rivers flow along river beds, so hence the sediments are formed by the rivers. Isolated gravel deposits, such as chevron deposits abutting highlands, are explained as being put there by massive tsunamis. Load carrying tsunamis cannot carry any load over an ocean. They can only carry a load that they have excavated from bedrock but when a tsunami makes landfall, it rapidly runs out of energy as there is nothing "driving" the wave front. Plunking a stone in a pond causes tsunami-like waves to form but these are effects of the impact made by the stone being plunked into the pond. These waves dissipate into the background the further away they are from their initial generating force. Tsunamis making landfall very quickly run out of steam or energy. Videos of the latest Japanese events suggest the water body is behaving like a massive liquid crystal moving laterally over the land with great power. Not surprising if it is EZ water. ===
_MF: 4A=Need_ The assumed source of sediment is previously eroded bedrock, not the bedrock itself. The tsunamis doing the work are assumed to be cross-continental. ===
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4. HOW MOUNTAIN RANGES FORMED.
<ET: (O:) Mountain ranges occur near continental edges due to reduction in the Earth's radius of curvature that occurs with expansion at the surface.
<PT: (O:) Mountain ranges formed slowly from continental collisions and magma plumes etc.
<ST: (O:) Mountain ranges are formed by vertical uplift from below.
_There is Earth's core, mantle and crust interaction, in which thermal energy from the core is the fundamental energy source of global tectonic activities including earthquakes, volcanoes, rise and sink of the Earth surface, and global climate as well
<EU: (O:) Arc Blast or Static discharge between planets and the sun seem to be primary factors -- Recent field work, can be shared.
[Mountain ranges were formed from electric discharges from the Sun or a large planet that heated a large discharge channel, which expanded, uplifting mountains.]
<ESU: (O:) Mountain ranges were formed by rapid continental drift due to a large asteroid impact.
<SD: (O:) The movement of plates raised nearly all of the mountain chains via horizontal compression, and initiated global volcanism.
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_MF: 5B=Have_ "Virtually all major mountain ranges in the world are a consequence of crustal shortening." From: __Some Simple Physical Aspects of the Support, Structure, and Evolution of Mountain Belts. Peter Molnar, H. Lyon-Caen. Special Paper 218, Geological Society of America, 1988, pp. 179-207.
_LH: 8A=Need_ Agreed - but what then is the horizontal force that operated? PT can explain this. ET cannot by definition. Electric plasma effects could by forming strong lateral variants of Lorentz Force as a peripheral effect of a distal electromachining process eroding regolith and upper crust to form ocean basins. Strange that mountains are associated with subducted plates causing shortening or accretion. Rather than ocean plate moving, the plasma arc stripped the regolith and crust off, forming the ocean basin, and as a peripheral effects laterally compressed the adjacent remnant crust, along with volcanic activity etc resulting from the massive inputs of energy into the system. ===
_BL: 5A=Need_ Arc blast in the Grand canyon pushed up the Rockies, the thrust faulting is huge and needed sever energy to have that amount of thrust. ===
_MF: If that happened, wouldn't the Rockies be concentric around the Grand Canyon?
_BL: 6C=Need_ It didn't stop at the Grand Canyon, but traveled up the river systems of the Colorado and Green river creating the current morphology about 12,900 years ago when the Carolina Bays were formed also during the 12,900 megafaunal extinction event... ===
_MF: 6A=Have_ PT is too weak to raise mountain chains. Numbers from the literature have values in this range: Slab pull: 500 bars, 450 bars ("subduction pull"), 300 bars; Ridge push: 200 bars, 250 bars, 250 bars, 200-300 bars, 200-400 bars; Basal drag: 200 bars, 200 bars. And basal drag is considered to be an opposing force to plate movement except beneath cratons. The stress required for crustal shortening to build mountains is hard to find, but has been calculated to be in a range from 1500 to 2500 bars up to 4000 to 6000 bars, inferring the latter "from earthquake data and evaluation of the stresses required to produce specific geological structures". In the case of South America, the combination of ridge push and forward basal drag (by trench suction) could produce only 400 to 600 bars of force, which is clearly insufficient to build the Andes. These forces are already engaged in moving the entire plate westward.
_LK: Mike, I had your reference for that saved up. __It's http://www.newgeology.us/Plate%20Tectonics.pdf
_MF: 7A=Need_ This is one of the problems with PT, that it is okay at explaining the current situation but not the origin. This applies not only to mountain chains, but to the origin of subduction and the splitting of continental crust. A large force, as in SD, is required. ===
_LK: Mike, I'm putting your initials at the beginning of each of your paragraphs, so I know who said what.
_LH: 8B=Need_ Well mountains are readily explained by PT, :-), but whether it is real or not. One fact is __Ollier and Pain's work - that many so-called mountains are actually old landsurface remnants that had their surrounds eroded away. This leaves the highly compressed mountains requiring large horizontal forces. Cosmic scaled electric arcs, as described by Oz aboriginals as Rainbow Serpents, or as Van De Waals phenomena could generate large Lorentz forces in the horizontal plane. ===
_MF: Is the ESU position on mountain ranges really the same as SD? ===
_LK: 2B=Need_ Yes, Charles accepts your model somewhat, but he thinks the continents moved apart more slowly.
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5. WHAT CAUSED ICE AGES & GLACIATION.
<ET: (GL:) (See JM Manuscript)
<PT: (GL:) Glaciation was caused by cooling.
<ST: (GL:)
<EU: (GL:) Cosmic Ray density with particle cascades creating storms, volcanic eruptions and global envelope of cloud cover leading to ice ages. Glaciation is a small subset of the ice ages and increases every winter more snow accumulates than melts. -- I can bring some references on cosmic rays
<ESU: (GL:)
<SD: (GL:) Movement of continents toward the poles along with atmospheric moisture and volcanic and impact dust led to glaciation.
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_BL: 7C=Need_ Seems to be tied to increasing cosmic ray density as we pass through certain sections of space in the various Milankovitch cycles. ===
Increased cosmic rays = increased particle precipitation = increased charging, increased lighting and storms and increased volcanic activity leading to increased clouds and solar shielding. Ice ages cometh, when earth reaches a certain capacitance the earth and likely the whole solar system is involved, arc blast ends the ice ages melting the caps, flooding from the poles, and twisting the planet's axis creating tsunamis from the oceans, piling animals from various climes together. Classic Velikovsky...
_MF: 8B=Need_ Rather a basketful of assumptions there. An Ice Age would seem to require greatly increased atmospheric moisture, as in heating the oceans, at the same time the atmosphere is cooling dramatically in at least one hemisphere. And this continues for a long time following sudden instigation. Classic SD. ===
_LH: 9C=Need_ Years ago I had an email discussion with Gerry Pollack and I raised the issue of whether ice forms at the poles as a consequence of excess protons entering the ionosphere and surface, thus forming ice. If a body of water, say an ocean, has EZ water as a surface layer, and an inrush of protons occur, then that EZ water gets turned into ice as a reaction to the increased energy supplied by the protons. Hence ice ages could be explained as massive injection of protons via CME's etc, Animals seem to be mainly made of water, in this case EZ water, and an inrush of protons could actually snap-freeze life forms almost instantaneously. This mechanism could explain the snap-freezing of mammoths. So a super Carrington event could be interpreted as an ice-age? The mechanism here is that ice ages are not caused by a drop in temperature but, paradoxically , an in crease in the system's energy state. ===
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_LH: 10A=Need_ Preliminary comment: Whatever mechanism is proposed, gravity remains the elephant in the room. Empirically gravity seems electrical in nature, and if so there are at present more than 20 models proposed for the electron, whether particle or wave. This does not help much in understanding gravity. Rock density is a fundamental physical measurement and relies totally on a correct understanding of gravity. Mantle convection, for example, assumes lower density for higher temperature, everything else being equal. Or lower density is linked to pressure which is caused by gravitational attraction with less dense rising and more dense sinking, eebe. Solar explanations such as proposed by Robitaille etc, assume gravity. Mantle pressure in the Earth assumes gravity. Rivers and streams flow because of gravity, and hence erosion is caused, ultimately, by gravity. Weather is caused by density differentials in the atmosphere caused by gravity. Geological evolution assumes gravity and accretion, cosmological to the smallest bolide. If electrical forces EM AND gravity are considered then we have a problem of magnitude, EM force is 10^38 greater in magnitude than gravity force. We cannot combine the two as a unified "field" because if one is assume a magnitude 1, say EM Lorentz force, then gravity is so small in magnitude it can be ignored, and which is what A.J. Peratt did with his PIC computer simulations using plasma. If gravity can be ignored as an assumption of mass attracting mass, then alternative mechanisms need to explain non-plasma phenomena in lieu of Newtonian gravity. This leads directly to the problem of rock density which is a fundamental physical property of condensed matter, It leads directly to isostasy, from which PT was developed, so explaining rock density becomes crucial., because it is an essential theoretical axiom on which the rest is deduced. ===
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ET: Expansion Tectonics __ James Maxlow __ http://www.expansiontectonics.com
PT: Plate Tectonics __ Wikipedia __ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics
ST: Surge Tectonics __ Dong Choi __ http://ncgt.org __ http://forums.naturalphilosophy.org/show...hp?tid=113
EU: Electric Universe __ (Ralph Juergens, deceased), Wal Thornhill, Don Scott __ http://holoscience.com __ http://thunderbolts.info __ https://www.iascc.org/the-science
ESU: Electrostatic Universe __ Charles Chandler __ http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=6031
SD: Shock Dynamics __ Mike Fischer __ http://NewGeology.us , (LK1-4) http://funday.createaforum.com/index.php
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_LK: WE CAN ALL BRING UP QUESTIONS & COMMENTS BELOW NOW & GO UP ABOVE TO SEE WHAT TO ASK ABOUT IF NEEDED.
_CS: Before we really get into it, I would like to ask two things.
1. Did math solutions give us the very real orthogonal fracture/megatrend intersections and vortex structures on the ocean floor?. ===
2. Did geophysics give us the 1-2 Ga rocks on the magnetic 180 Ma ocean floor? ===
_LH: Lloyd, the color scheme you are using black letters on green background also has a mauve component that is unreadable. :-)
_LK: I don't control the colors. You can go to the gear symbol at upper right and click on Authorship colors to change the background to white.
_LH: You can adjust your own colours by clicking the coloured square next to your name. Took me a while to work it out.
_RF: 1A=Have_ Lloyd have you considered adding the work of Michael Csuzdi to your list of global tectonic models? Thermionic Emission Geophysics__: http://breakthroughinenergy.com
_LK: I haven't heard of that, but always willing to add other ideas. Do you favor it for something?
_RF: 2B=Need_ I think Csuzdi missed an opportunity; his model sees Earth's magnetic field as originating from within the Earth rather than externally. ===
_LK: 3A=Need_ That's how Charles sees it too. He finds that the planets and stars likely have CFDLs and the charges in different layers can speed up or slow down as during impacts, causing the field to change. ===
_LH: 11B=Need_ The internal origin for the geomagnetic field was, at the time it was proposed, logical since we did not know about the Van Allen belts, solar wind, etc. Just that the Sun was an irradiating source, space was empty in which was suspended an inert globe, the earth. Which had a magnetic field that could only be located inside the earth. Much progress has since been made but the theory hasn't changed. This is the problem. [LH thinks the field is Externally generated.] ===
_BL: 8C=Need_ [to CS] 1.) The orthogonal fracture zones (don't know about the math) but geometry again controls. This pattern can also be seen in the eight layers of the human heart, the Chestahedron geometry shows this relationship is tied to "vortex geometry" where all the platonic solids are contained within the chestahedron. The inner double layer of the inner and outer core has tetrahedron or fire element geometry as evidenced by the magnetic spike structure (Quinns inverse magnetic modeling techniques show the delta- y configurations of Giovanni Gregoris "Sea Urchin Spikes"). The next double layer in the mantle has the square "earth" geometry as evidenced by the four north south circuits on the ridges along the corners of the cube, global heat flow and mantle gravity signatures attest to this. As you move up into the water or dodecahedron geometry, you see the hurricanes follow these circuits which are part of the vile vortex system., the air has double diamond or double pyramid structure, this is seen in the Total Electron Content data where the points of the triangles actually point to where EQ [earthquakes?] will occurs sometimes, then there is the aether pentagon geometry where the plasma comes into the poles. Each double layer has its specific geometry, this was the beauty of Plato's forgotten knowledge. The vortex geometry of the chestahedron contains all the platonic solids and is responsible for the harmony or balance of electromagnetic forces linked to or controling the Golden ration or Fibonacci fractalization sequences... ===
_BL: 9B=Have_ The polarity of magnetic stripes on the seafloor has only been confirmed in 7 places by the Deep Sea Drilling Project, magnetic data is collected generally by shipborne and airborne scalar and sometimes vector magnetometers. Most of the stripes are simply what's called susceptibility contrasts and are not confirmed as polarity reversals. __Art Meyerhoff, author of surge tectonics has a good article on this; I don't have the link but it is covered in his text on Surge tectonics. He also states that many of the magnetic stripes are not parallel to the ridges, some are actually perpendicular to the ridges. The electrical orientation of the circuit determines the orientation of the stripe.
_LK: Bruce, I'd love to have a link to that info on magnetic stripe data.
_LK: I read Meyerhoff's book and copied some of it. The book didn't mention the magnetic stripes that I know of. It's good that the article apparently did though.
_MF: According to the numbered issues, this discussion is about the Earth rather than the universe. Apparently there has not been much thought on these issues. It is clear that there are collisions occurring in the galaxy, and perhaps there is exclusive evidence for electrical interaction? How could the electric universe concept [be tested] conceivably be disproved?
_LK: The CFDL theory of Earth might be disprovable. That's current-free electric double-layers.
_MF: How would that be done?
_LK: 4A=Need_ It's part of the Earth, so we have better access than off-planet. Also, calculations can be made to determine feasibility. Charles has found that spacing of plasma cells in the lab and the spacing of planets and of stars in globular clusters all follow the same law or formula. So, knowing the charge on planets should tell us something about whether the planets could be repelled from each other according to that formula. ===
_MF: Is Earth positively or negatively charged?
_LK: 5C=Need_ The planets, as Charles says, have electric double-layers, so they're both charges, but I think they're more positive than negative. Anyway the atmospheres are positive. Charles & others say the Sun is more negative than positive, but the outer layer is positive there too. ===
_BL: 10B=Have_ Also there are the double layers within the earth that have opposite charges, this can be seen in the double layers of __Quinn's inverse modeled magnetic source depth data.
_BL: 11B=Need_ The poles have opposite charges. LK has the answer on repelling planets, I would agree... you can see this in __experiments with small steel balls... ===
_MF: So would Earth repel another planet? It is surprising that planets mimic small steel balls.
_LK: 6C=Have_ Charels' findings suggest that all the planets repel each other. I can look for his paper on that. __ http//:qdl.sds-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/15369.html
_LH: 12B=Need_ Negatively - mainly by the oceans having a surface layer of EZ water. Magnitude is diurnal. ===
_MF: 9B=Need_ Magnetic polarity and intensity have also been found to change with depth in oceanic crust. ===
_BL: 12B=Need_ As well as within cores of volcanic rxs. Polarity and intensity seem to change and rotate within the layers indicating the polarity and intensity are controlled locally via the volcanic electrical system and not a global orientation related to N-S poles... ===
_LK: Bruce, can you get me a link to that evidence from volcanic cores? What's rxs?
_BL: Rxs... abbreviation for rocks. This is stuff I read years ago, I'd have to search for those references. I may have it referenced in one of my publications, but that will take time to find again...
_LH: An earth in a gravitational or electrical environment? At present the whole edifice of Plate Tectonics and Expanding earth are based on the gravitational model. But plasma physics, the Peratt model, ignores gravity. If so then all the tectonic features that we observe on the Earth are presently explained by the gravitational model. Instead we need to explain things in an electrical model.
_LH: Proving the Electric Universe model requires falsifying the Western Cultural paradigm. This is a problem.
_LK: I don't think Western religions stand in the way of science much any more.
_LH: Describing the Earth's evolution requires a starting point, and this remains controversial. Most US geologists seem to favour a short chronology, others a long one. I had the same issue when I edited AIG News - the long chronologists did not like editorial favourable to the short-chronologists being published. It got to rather an excitable situation.
_MF: So long folks. [Disappointing discussions] on the topics, which are worthwhile.
_LK: Mike, what part of the country are you in? You're welcome to make suggestions to improve discussions. I'll try to organize better or find better ways to get info from everyone.
_MF: North Carolina
_LK: A question for you EU people. Looks like there are one or two of you here still, since Louis left. I'm an ESU person, rather than EU. The question is: Is a vacuum an insulator or a conductor, or neither or both?
_BL: Is there really such a thing as a total vacuum, seems to be an idealized mathematical construct, but if there's a few particles in there depending on what it was it seems it could be either or both...
_LK: 7C=Need_ Charles says a vacuum has no resistance to charge. So I think he says interplanetary discharges would likely not occur as EU theorists have said. I should get him here to explain, though, since he has the info. ===
_BL: 13B=Need_ The concept of interplanetary discharge is simply static electric discharge, and we know the solar wind is full of particles, thus the assumption of a vacuum related to our solar system is mute... ===
_RF: 3B=Need_ Vacuum Circuit Breakers are used in high voltage power systems to extinguish the electric arc. ===
_LK: 8B=Need_ Would it be fairly easy to test in a vacuum chamber whether a vacuum is more conducting or insulating? I know Charles referenced some data from satellites or something that indicated that vacuum is "conducting". ======
_BL: Why the insistence the solar wind is a vacuum?
_LK: I don't know the density of the solar wind, but I'm guessing that on Earth it would be considered a vacuum? Do you know the density? Is it some tens or hundreds of particles per cc?
_BL: 14C=Have_ Depends on whether your interested in proton density or other particles,__ http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ lot of information on solar wind properties at that link.
_LK: Thanks, Bruce. I guess we can wrap up soon, if there's not a lot of info to share yet. Do you's have more questions or comments or suggestions how to have better discussions?
_BL: Final comment, the one that got deleted earlier. Seems to me we should begin to understand the tectonic domain as a weather system, where Giovannis Sea urchin spikes are the pressure cells, the plate boundaries or surge channels are the stream flows, like jetstreams, and frontal boundaries, where counter flows to the mantle must exist in the asthenosphere or volcanics. The Westward drift of the magnetic field indicates an deep mantle trade wind etc. The plate tectonic concept of linear upwelling is like the idealized mathematical construct of the net heat flow model of Hadley Cell circulation in the atmosphere. It doesn't exist in actual flow dynamics. If you were a weatherman and all you could report on was heat is rising at the equator and moving towards the poles and you model doesn't allow the existence of pressure cells, stream flow or frontal boundaries, much less trade winds, you couldn't say much about the weather. This is the problem with plate theory, it's driver is based on an idealized mathematical construct that is simple to understand in a text book, but has no basis in reality... That's it in a nutshell, signing off, enjoyed the discussion... ======
_LK: Thanks for repeating that, Bruce. Good Day. I'll try not to delete that this time. Are you in Colorado or Florida?
_BL: Florida
_LK: Robert, do you have a link to your main info? Is it summed up somewhere?
_RF: Which info would that be, Lloyd.
_LK: Info on Tectonics.
_RF: 4A=Have_ __ http:breakthroughinenergy.com

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CNPS Structured Discussion / Comparing ET with Other Geology Theories
« on: August 08, 2017, 08:33:37 am »
Goal is to make a Table that compares Expansion Tectonic theory with other Geological theories.

First, I'm listing CNPS papers on ET.

This is the present alphabetic arrangement with possible main topics added before each title. Some of the titles may be miscategorized. After this will be the list arranged alphabetically by subject.

Category: Expansion Tectonics

__A
_Africa) _On The Ages of African Land-Surfaces
_Galaxies) _An Analysis of 900 Rotation Curves of Southern Sky Spiral Galaxies: Are the Dynamics Constrained to Discrete States?
_Tectonics) _Architectonics of the Earth
_Satellites) _Are Artificial Satellites Orbits Influenced by an Expanding Earth?
_Atlas) _Atlas of Continental Displacement, 200 Million Years to the Present
__B
_Biogeography) _Biogeography in a Changing World
__C
_ZPEnergy) _Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy
_ZPEnergy<?>) _Cosmology and the Zerto Point Energy
_Theories) _Creeds of Physics
_ContainerSpace) _A Critical Note Concerning Conventional Container Space Concepts
_Crust) _Crustal development and sea level : with special reference to the geological development of southwest Japan and adjacent seas
__D
_Dinosaurs) _Dinosaurs and the Expanding Earth - Second edition (ebook)
_QM<?>) _Discrete Time Realizations of Quantum Mechanics and their Possible Experimental Tests
__E
_Palaeo-Magnetism) _Early Palaeozoic Palaeo-Magnetism and Biogeography - Plate tectonics or Expansion?
_GeoComplexity) _Earth Complexity vs. Plate Tectonic Simplicity
_Expansion) _Is the Earth Expanding (Dehnt sich die Erde aus?)
_NebHyp+Subduction) _Earth IS Expanding Rapidly: Kant's Nebular Hypothesis and Subduction are False
_ObjectionsSolved) _Earth Expansion Major Objections Solved
_Earthquakes) _Earth Expansion and the Prediction of Earthquakes and Volcanicism
_MassIncrease) _Earth Expansion Requires Increase in Mass
_PermianClimate) _The Earth Expansion Theory and the Climatic History of the Lower Permian
_Universe) _Earth, Universe, Cosmos
_Expansion) _Earth is Unquestionably Growing and Expanding
_Evidence) _Education Concept of Earths Expansion: Main Grounds, Space-Geodetic and Paleomagnetic Evidence, Metallogenic Consequences
_Electrodynamic) _Electrodynamic Origin of Gravitational Forces
_Galaxies) _Empirical Evidence on the Creation of Galaxies and Quasars
_Electrodynamics) _Evidence For Weber-Wesley Electrodynamics
_Expansion) _An Evolutionary Earth Expansion Hypothesis
_Continents) _The Expanded Earth: The Continents Positioned by Radical Movement Due to Expansion; a Craftsmans Look at the Globe
_Expansion) _Expanding Earth?
_Expansion) _The Expanding Earth
_Expansion) _Why the Expanding Earth?
_Sea-FloorSpreading) _An Expanding Earth on the Basis of Sea-Floor Spreading and Subduction Rates
_Causes) _The Expanding Earth: Evidence, Causes and Effects
_Gravity) _The Expanding Earth: Evidence From Temporary Gravity Fields and Space-Geodetic Data
_Gyrotation) _The Expanding Earth: Is the Inflation of Heavenly Bodies Caused by Reoriented Particles under Gyrotation Fields?
_InnerCore) _The Expanding Earth : The Inflation of Heavenly Bodies Demands for a Compression-Free Inner Core
_Catastrophism) _Expanding Earth, Or Natural Catastrophism
_Expansion) _The Expanding Earth: A Sound Idea for the New Millenium
_Cause) _Our Expanding Earth, the Ultimate Cause
_Overview) _Expansion Tectonics: An Overview
__F
_Universe) _Finite Theory of the Universe, Dark Matter Disproof and Faster-Than-Light Speed
_Fixed-Earth) _Fixed-Earth and Expanding-Earth Theories -- Time for a Paradigm Shift? -- Version 2
_Cartography) _Fossils, frogs, floating islands and expanding Earth in changing-radius cartography
_Expansion) _The Fourth Revolt
_Fuels) _Fuels: A New Theory (Second Edition)
__G
_Causes) _Geological-Geophysical Proofs and Possible Causes of Earth Expansion
_Eduction) _Global Eduction Tectonics of the Expanding Earth
_Explanation) _Global Expansion Tectonics - A More Rational Explanation
_PhysicsChallenge) _Global Expansion Tectonics: A Significant Challenge for Physics
_Models) _Global Models of the Expanding Earth
_InflatingSun) _On the Gravitational Constant of Our Inflating Sun and On the Origin of the Stars' Lifecycle
_Gravito-MagneticInflation) _The Gravito-Magnetic Inflation of Rotating Bodies and the Nature of Mass and Matter
_Gravitomagnetism) _Gravitomagnetism: Successes in Explaining the Cosmos
_Earthquakes) _Great And Old Earthquakes Against Great And Old Paradigms ? Paradoxes, Historical Roots, Alternative Answers
_Expansion) _The Growing and Developing Earth
_Expansion) _The Growing Earth
__H
_Hydrocarbons) _Hydrocarbons in the Context of a Solid, Quantified, Growing and Radiating Earth
__I
_Sphere-Cylinder) _Interbasis "Sphere-Cylinder" Expansions for the Oscillator in the Three-Dimensional Space of Constant Positive Curvature
__L
_Expansion) _The Land of No Horizon
_Subduction) _Is Large Scale Subduction Made Unlikely By The Mediterranean Deep Seismicity?
_Impacts) _Lava Flows from Disruption of Crust at the Antipode of Large Meteorite Impacts
_Relativity<?>) _Le Verrier Historical Mistake that Created Relativity Stupidity
_Light) _Light Propagation in an Expanding Universe
_AstronomicalObjects) _Limitations on Viewing Distant Astronomical Objects
__M
_Hoax) _Mankind's Greatest Hoax
_Plumes) _Mantle Plumes and Dynamics of the Earth Interior - Towards a New Model
_SunVelocity) _Marinov's Toothed-Wheels Measurement of Absolute Velocity of Solar System
_Mountains) _On the Mechanism of Mountain Building and Folding
_Plates) _Migrating Fossils, Moving Plates and an Expanding Earth
__N
_EarthInterior) _A New Dynamic Conception Of The Internal Constitution Of The Earth
_BlackHoles<?>) _The No-Hair Theorem Parameters can be Reduced to solely the Black Hole's Specific Angular Momentum
_RottnestIsland) _Nuteeriat: Nut Trees, the Expanding Earth, Rottnest Island, and All That
__O
_Granite) _The Origin of Granite and Continental Masses in an Expanding Earth
_Mountains) _The Origin of Mountains
_UniversalSystems) _Origins of Universal Systems
_OrogenicModel) _An Orogenic Model Consistent with Earth Expansion
_Hilgenberg) _Ott Christoph Hilgenberg in twentieth-century geophysics
__P
_Palaeomagnetic) _Palaeomagnetic Evidence Relevant To A Change In The Earth's Radius
_Palaeopoles) _Palaeopoles on an Expanding Earth: A Comparison Between Synthetic and Real Data Sets
_Comprehensive) _Five Para-Myths and One Comprehensive Proposition in Geology
_Redshifts) _Periodicity in Extragalactic Redshifts
_Philosophy) _A Philosophy of the Expanding Earth and Universe
_SouthernHemisphere) _Physical Explanation for Greater Earth Expansion in the Southern Hemisphere
_Diamagnetism) _The Pivoted Current Element and Diamagnetism
_Expansion) _Is Planet Earth Expanding?
_Eocene) _Planet Earth Expanding and Eocene Tectonic Event
_Dynamics) _Beyond Plate Tectonics: 'Plate' Dynamics
_PT) _Plate Tectonics and this Expanding Earth
_PT) _Is Plate Tectonics Standing the Test of Time
_PT) _Plate Tectonics Subducted
_Microphysics) _On the Possibility of a Rationalistic Approach to Microphysics
_DarkMatter) _Possible Relation Between Earth Expansion and Dark Matter
_DeepDrilling) _The Primordially Hydridic Character of our Planet and Proving it by Deep Drilling
_Plates) _Principles of Plate Movements on the Expanding Earth
__R
_Expansion) _Rapid Earth Expansion: An Eclectic View
_IncreasingGravity) _Relationship Between Gravity and Evolution: The Theory of the Increasing of Gravity
_PolarMotion) _Releaions Among Expanding earth, TPW, and Polar Motion
__S
_Test) _A Simple Physical Test of Earth Expansion
_SunVelocity) _A Simplified Repetition of Silvertooth's Measurement of the Absolute Velocity of the Solar System
_Expansion) _Once a Smaller Earth
_Expansion) _The Solid, Quantified, Growing and Radiating Earth
_Electron) _On the Space-time Structure of the Electron
_Planets) _The Spacing of Planets: The Solution to a 400-Year Mystery
_Subduction) _Subduction: The Extent and Duration
_Superluminal<?>) _On Superluminal Velocities
_ST) _Surge Tectonics: A New Hypothesis of Global Geodynamics
__T
_DeepSeismicData) _The tectonic structure of the continental lithosphere considered in the light of the expanding Earth theory? a proposal of a new interpretation of deep seismic data
_IslandArcs) _Tension - Gravitational Model of Island Arcs
_Expansion?) _Terra non Firma Earth
_PalaeomagneticData) _A Test of Earth Expansion Hypotheses by Means of Palaeomagnetic Data
_Theories) _Theories of the Earth and Universe: A History of Dogma in the Earth Sciences
_Expansion) _The Theory of the Expanding Earth
_Thermal) _The Thermal Expansion of the Earth
__V
_Unorthodoxy) _A Venture in Unorthodoxy
_Petroleum) _Voyage of Discovery: A History of Ideas About the Earth with a New Understanding of the Global Resources of Water and Petroleum and the Problems of Climate Change
__W
_Sea-floors) _Wandering Continents and Spreading Sea-floors on an Expanding Earth

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Category: Expansion Tectonics (by Subject)

_Africa) _On The Ages of African Land-Surfaces
_AstronomicalObjects) _Limitations on Viewing Distant Astronomical Objects
_Atlas) _Atlas of Continental Displacement, 200 Million Years to the Present
_Biogeography) _Biogeography in a Changing World
_BlackHoles<?>) _The No-Hair Theorem Parameters can be Reduced to solely the Black Hole's Specific Angular Momentum
_Cartography) _Fossils, frogs, floating islands and expanding Earth in changing-radius cartography
_Catastrophism) _Expanding Earth, Or Natural Catastrophism
_Cause) _Our Expanding Earth, the Ultimate Cause
_Causes) _Geological-Geophysical Proofs and Possible Causes of Earth Expansion
_Causes) _The Expanding Earth: Evidence, Causes and Effects
_Comprehensive) _Five Para-Myths and One Comprehensive Proposition in Geology
_ContainerSpace) _A Critical Note Concerning Conventional Container Space Concepts
_Continents) _The Expanded Earth: The Continents Positioned by Radical Movement Due to Expansion; a Craftsmans Look at the Globe
_Crust) _Crustal development and sea level : with special reference to the geological development of southwest Japan and adjacent seas
_DarkMatter) _Possible Relation Between Earth Expansion and Dark Matter
_DeepDrilling) _The Primordially Hydridic Character of our Planet and Proving it by Deep Drilling
_DeepSeismicData) _The tectonic structure of the continental lithosphere considered in the light of the expanding Earth theory? a proposal of a new interpretation of deep seismic data
_Diamagnetism) _The Pivoted Current Element and Diamagnetism
_Dinosaurs) _Dinosaurs and the Expanding Earth - Second edition (ebook)
_Dynamics) _Beyond Plate Tectonics: 'Plate' Dynamics
_EarthInterior) _A New Dynamic Conception Of The Internal Constitution Of The Earth
_Earthquakes) _Earth Expansion and the Prediction of Earthquakes and Volcanicism
_Earthquakes) _Great And Old Earthquakes Against Great And Old Paradigms ? Paradoxes, Historical Roots, Alternative Answers
_Eduction) _Global Eduction Tectonics of the Expanding Earth
_Electrodynamic) _Electrodynamic Origin of Gravitational Forces
_Electrodynamics) _Evidence For Weber-Wesley Electrodynamics
_Electron) _On the Space-time Structure of the Electron
_Eocene) _Planet Earth Expanding and Eocene Tectonic Event
_Evidence) _Education Concept of Earths Expansion: Main Grounds, Space-Geodetic and Paleomagnetic Evidence, Metallogenic Consequences
_Expansion?) _Terra non Firma Earth
_Expansion) _An Evolutionary Earth Expansion Hypothesis
_Expansion) _Earth is Unquestionably Growing and Expanding
_Expansion) _Expanding Earth?
_Expansion) _Is Planet Earth Expanding?
_Expansion) _Is the Earth Expanding (Dehnt sich die Erde aus?)
_Expansion) _Once a Smaller Earth
_Expansion) _Rapid Earth Expansion: An Eclectic View
_Expansion) _The Expanding Earth
_Expansion) _The Expanding Earth: A Sound Idea for the New Millenium
_Expansion) _The Fourth Revolt
_Expansion) _The Growing and Developing Earth
_Expansion) _The Growing Earth
_Expansion) _The Land of No Horizon
_Expansion) _The Solid, Quantified, Growing and Radiating Earth
_Expansion) _The Theory of the Expanding Earth
_Expansion) _Why the Expanding Earth?
_Explanation) _Global Expansion Tectonics - A More Rational Explanation
_Fixed-Earth) _Fixed-Earth and Expanding-Earth Theories -- Time for a Paradigm Shift? -- Version 2
_Fuels) _Fuels: A New Theory (Second Edition)
_Galaxies) _An Analysis of 900 Rotation Curves of Southern Sky Spiral Galaxies: Are the Dynamics Constrained to Discrete States?
_Galaxies) _Empirical Evidence on the Creation of Galaxies and Quasars
_GeoComplexity) _Earth Complexity vs. Plate Tectonic Simplicity
_Granite) _The Origin of Granite and Continental Masses in an Expanding Earth
_Gravito-MagneticInflation) _The Gravito-Magnetic Inflation of Rotating Bodies and the Nature of Mass and Matter
_Gravitomagnetism) _Gravitomagnetism: Successes in Explaining the Cosmos
_Gravity) _The Expanding Earth: Evidence From Temporary Gravity Fields and Space-Geodetic Data
_Gyrotation) _The Expanding Earth: Is the Inflation of Heavenly Bodies Caused by Reoriented Particles under Gyrotation Fields?
_Hilgenberg) _Ott Christoph Hilgenberg in twentieth-century geophysics
_Hoax) _Mankind's Greatest Hoax
_Hydrocarbons) _Hydrocarbons in the Context of a Solid, Quantified, Growing and Radiating Earth
_Impacts) _Lava Flows from Disruption of Crust at the Antipode of Large Meteorite Impacts
_IncreasingGravity) _Relationship Between Gravity and Evolution: The Theory of the Increasing of Gravity
_InflatingSun) _On the Gravitational Constant of Our Inflating Sun and On the Origin of the Stars' Lifecycle
_InnerCore) _The Expanding Earth : The Inflation of Heavenly Bodies Demands for a Compression-Free Inner Core
_IslandArcs) _Tension - Gravitational Model of Island Arcs
_Light) _Light Propagation in an Expanding Universe
_MassIncrease) _Earth Expansion Requires Increase in Mass
_Microphysics) _On the Possibility of a Rationalistic Approach to Microphysics
_Models) _Global Models of the Expanding Earth
_Mountains) _On the Mechanism of Mountain Building and Folding
_Mountains) _The Origin of Mountains
_NebHyp+Subduction) _Earth IS Expanding Rapidly: Kant's Nebular Hypothesis and Subduction are False
_ObjectionsSolved) _Earth Expansion Major Objections Solved
_OrogenicModel) _An Orogenic Model Consistent with Earth Expansion
_Overview) _Expansion Tectonics: An Overview
_Palaeo-Magnetism) _Early Palaeozoic Palaeo-Magnetism and Biogeography - Plate tectonics or Expansion?
_Palaeomagnetic) _Palaeomagnetic Evidence Relevant To A Change In The Earth's Radius
_PalaeomagneticData) _A Test of Earth Expansion Hypotheses by Means of Palaeomagnetic Data
_Palaeopoles) _Palaeopoles on an Expanding Earth: A Comparison Between Synthetic and Real Data Sets
_PermianClimate) _The Earth Expansion Theory and the Climatic History of the Lower Permian
_Petroleum) _Voyage of Discovery: A History of Ideas About the Earth with a New Understanding of the Global Resources of Water and Petroleum and the Problems of Climate Change
_Philosophy) _A Philosophy of the Expanding Earth and Universe
_PhysicsChallenge) _Global Expansion Tectonics: A Significant Challenge for Physics
_Planets) _The Spacing of Planets: The Solution to a 400-Year Mystery
_Plates) _Migrating Fossils, Moving Plates and an Expanding Earth
_Plates) _Principles of Plate Movements on the Expanding Earth
_Plumes) _Mantle Plumes and Dynamics of the Earth Interior - Towards a New Model
_PolarMotion) _Releaions Among Expanding earth, TPW, and Polar Motion
_PT) _Is Plate Tectonics Standing the Test of Time
_PT) _Plate Tectonics and this Expanding Earth
_PT) _Plate Tectonics Subducted
_QM<?>) _Discrete Time Realizations of Quantum Mechanics and their Possible Experimental Tests
_Redshifts) _Periodicity in Extragalactic Redshifts
_Relativity<?>) _Le Verrier Historical Mistake that Created Relativity Stupidity
_RottnestIsland) _Nuteeriat: Nut Trees, the Expanding Earth, Rottnest Island, and All That
_Satellites) _Are Artificial Satellites Orbits Influenced by an Expanding Earth?
_Sea-floors) _Wandering Continents and Spreading Sea-floors on an Expanding Earth
_Sea-FloorSpreading) _An Expanding Earth on the Basis of Sea-Floor Spreading and Subduction Rates
_SouthernHemisphere) _Physical Explanation for Greater Earth Expansion in the Southern Hemisphere
_Sphere-Cylinder) _Interbasis "Sphere-Cylinder" Expansions for the Oscillator in the Three-Dimensional Space of Constant Positive Curvature
_ST) _Surge Tectonics: A New Hypothesis of Global Geodynamics
_Subduction) _Is Large Scale Subduction Made Unlikely By The Mediterranean Deep Seismicity?
_Subduction) _Subduction: The Extent and Duration
_SunVelocity) _A Simplified Repetition of Silvertooth's Measurement of the Absolute Velocity of the Solar System
_SunVelocity) _Marinov's Toothed-Wheels Measurement of Absolute Velocity of Solar System
_Superluminal<?>) _On Superluminal Velocities
_Tectonics) _Architectonics of the Earth
_Test) _A Simple Physical Test of Earth Expansion
_Theories) _Creeds of Physics
_Theories) _Theories of the Earth and Universe: A History of Dogma in the Earth Sciences
_Thermal) _The Thermal Expansion of the Earth
_UniversalSystems) _Origins of Universal Systems
_Universe) _Earth, Universe, Cosmos
_Universe) _Finite Theory of the Universe, Dark Matter Disproof and Faster-Than-Light Speed
_Unorthodoxy) _A Venture in Unorthodoxy
_ZPEnergy) _Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy
_ZPEnergy<?>) _Cosmology and the Zerto Point Energy

14
CNPS Structured Discussion / BN-LK Discussion Highlights
« on: June 14, 2017, 11:05:08 pm »
__« April 22, 2017, 01:20:31 pm »
Major Unexplained Science Facts & Alternative Models
LK Ideas for Organizing a Wiki
1. Plans to Improve the Scientific Method
2. List Major Fields of Science
3. List Major Science Facts & Flaws for Main CNPS Wiki Topics
(See Sample Wiki thread.)
Paraphrasing Bruce's Forum/Wiki Ideas
a. Tell readers the goal is to produce one or more papers and Wikis.
- Ask readers to submit other flaws &/or alternative theories
b. To structure the topic put it into the forum as 3 co-located threads.
- Create an outline of the local discussion & put it in your “coordination” post.
- Use Mark’s MIT MAP concepts: Questions ( ? ),  Ideas ( lightbulb),  pros and cons (thumbs up and down ) etc.
Aether Lattice Holes Theory
DEMOCRACY:
__« April 23, 2017, 11:37:33 am »
Invite: TB Members possibly interested in helping Improve Science:
bdw000, BirdyNumNums, Brigit Bara, Chan Rasjid, chut, Cubit32, D_Archer, dd6, Elder, fractal-geoff, GaryN, GenesisAria, Grey Cloud, jacmac, JCG, JeffreyW, JHL, jimmcginn, Keith Ness, Kuldebar, Melusine, philalethes, Phorce, phyllotaxis, Pi sees, Plasmatic, pln2bz, popster1, RayTomes, Roshi, Rushthezeppelin, saul, seasmith, Solar, Sparky, StefanR, trevbus, Webbman, Zelectric, ZenMonkeyNZ, Zyxzevn
__« April 23, 2017, 11:50:36 am »
RESOURCES
__« May 07, 2017, 12:08:53 pm »
<BN: Phone
Catastrophism Topic
Expansion Tectonics
So, a way to find people for your ideas is to post a request on that forum
A second way is to compose an article for the monthly newsletter
getting the newsletter, send a note directly to David de Hilster
Third, there is a blog on the main website
Re sedimentary rock strata, first do some literature analysis on the history of this topic
LK's List of Topics
I put a new forum in there for you: The Scientific Method.
The list of facts and flaws is one of the issues I wanted to talk to you about directly.
__May 8, 9AM
do a test right here on FUNDAY
__« May 11, 2017, 05:14:55 pm »
Message to Dave Talbott re Wiki
I started a thread called, Need Data to Help Create Alternative Science Wiki
I have gotten a Catastrophism board and E.U. boards etc at the CNPS forum.
__Postby Lloyd » Thu May 11, 2017 4:06 pm
Initial preferred topics for discussion are:
Catastrophism: Ancient Global Cataclysm
Mythology: Ancient Myths
Earth Sciences: Global Tectonics
Astronomy: Solar Science
__« May 21, 2017, 01:56:44 pm »
>BN: the CNPS Wiki a collection of alternative science papers
would help to establish a system for evaluating them
Making the list of essential elements of each theory or claim
then a process for evaluating each element
CNPS could publicize the best theories
__Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:45 PM
<Bruce: find me ANY MM reports
system for evaluating is my next TOP priority
publishing a summary of what elements of ALL the papers were good breakthroughs
reward great Peer Reviewers
Peer Review Guidelines [from web search]
__5/23/17 8:50AM
>Bruce: date on the threads
experiment with "peer reviewers"
__« May 23, 2017, 09:21:11 pm »
"sticky" function
date labeling
email string
"probable" reviews would give a theory a high place in a WIKI
summary reference to the dissents
many theories submitted
PHOTON; challenge this definition
prioritizing
__5/23 9 PM
>Bruce: date labeling
P.U.T structured format
invite members
Space Lattice Theory
rate P.U.T.
__Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:38 PM
<Bruce: suggest a better title
membership fee
Lattice Theory
rating a few P.U.T. Elements
__5/24 7:33 PM
Hi Bruce: discussion thread
I started 3 threads for "theory rating"
I included the reasons for my I-ratings
__« May 26, 2017, 07:28:59 pm »
<BN: Inviting members
"discussion summary" as a "status report"
"coordination": coordination of the discussion
"external inputs": to focus or promote the discussion
"documentation"
Possible solution
__May 26, 2017, at 12:55 AM
>Bruce: Why wouldn't each topic in the forum have a Working Paper thread?
__Friday, May 26, 2017 10:39 AM
<Bruce: multiple purposes for the structured forum
break down disagreements among members
structure to improve all discussions
separate resolution
member recruitment, CNPS marketing, promotion of papers, and expansion of conferences
coordinating scientific research
cover the needed structure issues
__5/26 7:11 PM
Hi Bruce: your structured forum goals
A. Attempt to resolve disagreements among members:
B. Set up bibliographies to reduce newbies' questions:
C. Each section develop goals, like doing experiments, writing papers ... :
D. Improve & promote CNPS & scientific research:
CNPS forum survey eventually
1st - purpose, status report & assignments
2nd - wiki working paper
3rd - bibliography & important outside viewpoints
discussion section
__Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:33 PM
<Bruce: Important threads; using a "sticky" function
bibliographies < many forums making a few contributions each
8. Definitions
__Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:25 AM
<Bruce: I can't do the rating without details
I don't find value in the a simple rating scale
help locate interested people
__5/31) 11AM)
>Bruce: "help locate interested people
encyclopedic list of good alternative theories
PUT rating I, which was helpful
__6/1 - 11AM
>Bruce: let members start their own threads in any of those 9 sections
let moderators request moderator-controlled threads
consulted with any forum experts?
__« June 02, 2017, 09:55:43 pm »
Hi Bruce: start one or two threads in section 1
your critique of my 8-point scientific method
repeats of the MM experiment
5-part idea
Store raw data
Self-organize teams to rectify false media claims
corporate greed
__Monday, June 5, 2017 1:45 PM
<BN: Members can post new Threads, but not "forums"
email notification
MM experiment repeats
raw data
__« June 09, 2017, 02:29:14 pm »
REVIEW PROCESS
__Friday, June 9, 2017 10:00 AM
<Bruce:  I ratings vs P (probable) " ratings
guide a number of members to review them in depth
be published by CNPS + indexed
__Fri 6/9 2:23PM
>Bruce: look for fellow reviewers?
essential elements of P.U.T. that most interest me

15
EU DEBATE / COMET ELECTRICAL EROSION
« on: June 08, 2017, 08:21:50 pm »
Comet mesa and crater erosion by electrical surface erosion.

See electrical erosion of Comet Temple I in the 47 to 50 minute segment of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo

A mesa on Temple I shows electrical[?] erosion over a short period of time in 2005, shortening the mesa by 50 meters after sunspot and solar wind activity had increased significantly.

Here are images from the video.

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