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« on: November 28, 2019, 04:31:02 pm »
_The Electromagnetic Nature of Tornadic Supercell Thunderstorms
_TIDAL FORCE. what if [the cause of tides is] the electric force, where there is a concentration of positively charged plasma in the interplanetary medium, to which the negatively charged planets, and the Sun, are attracted? The first implication is that at least some of the "gravity" that keeps the planets in orbit is actually the electric force. (At the very least, gravity anomalies will trace back to fluctuations in electric fields.) The second implication is the surface of the Sun and the planets will get warped by the selective action of the electric force on the surfaces, producing tides. The third implication is that tidal forces flex the crusts of the planets, and the surface of the Sun, resulting in fluctuations in pressure at depth, and this drives electric currents at the boundaries between charged double-layers. So tidal forces are a source of heat, far beyond just the thermalization of crustal deformation. ...
_TORNADIC LEVITATION. In the EMHD model, the tornadic inflow is positively charged, and the surface of the Earth has an induced negative charge. This means that particulate matter from the surface that is getting blown in the wind will be negatively charged. Objects exposed to the tornadic inflow (such as people, cars, etc.) will be sandblasted with this particulate matter, and will therefore develop a net negative charge. The objects will then be attracted by the electric force to the positively charged air around them. Since there is more air above them than below them, the net force will be upward. And if the strongest positive charge in the storm is in the RFD, objects will be subjected to the most powerful uplifting force after the tornado passes.

_EVAPORITES, MEDITERRANEAN. Multiple layers of evaporites exist in the Mediterranean and Red Sea floors --
_"The Mediterranean, Dead and Red Seas are the most saline in the world. Drilling reveals that repeated complete evaporation deposited multiple layers of salt on the sea bottoms, even in the deepest areas. Each layer was due to the evaporation of the residual water left when priori-mars drew the water out of the Med and Red Seas, toward northern India."
_"the purpose for building the pyramids in Egypt, the tells in the Levant and the ziggurats was to avoid the sudden floods caused by the capture of priori-Mars every thirty years. The low-lying areas along these courses, particularly in the Tigress and Euphrates valley remained inundated for months or years after each flood. During the encounters, the Mediterranean and Red Seas were almost completely emptied, and whatever residual water remained, evaporated during the fifteen year encounters. Evidence supporting this view comes from multiple layers of evaporites which cover the bottom of the Mediterranean and Red Seas. These layers are currently misdated and thus called the `Messinian Salinity Crisis' by geologists, who cannot imagine what caused many complete dessications of such a large body of water could occur by evaporation."
_ASIA HIGH TIDE MARK. "The most disruptive transient events for human cultures, particularly in the Mediterranean, the Middle East and the Indus Valley (where a large fraction of the ancient population lived), was tidal flooding at the time of the capture and release of priori-Mars. Its mass was about 0.16 times that of the Earth and its center approached to within 44,000 kilometers of the center of the Earth. As a result, it produced an enormous ocean tide, some 5000 feet high, which inundated northern India. Its altitude is recorded by a unique horizontally bedded layer called the Siwalik, containing the bones of animals, the habitats of which range from sea level to a mile high, in the foothills of the Himalayas.  These deposits exist because unlike the tides we experience today which sweep around the globe as it rotates, this tide remained fixed for fifteen years at a time. This high tide was formed by the drawing of water from the periphery of the hemisphere facing priori-Mars. As a result, the ocean depth was greatly reduced in a band which included the northeastern Atlantic between Iceland and the British Isles and the area of the Aleutian Islands, which would have facilitated human migration between continents. But the most significant areas were those of relatively large populations, such as the Mediterranean and Red Sea."
"H. G. Wells published an ancient map showing Northern India completely inundated while the Mediterranean is almost emptied. Tibetans claim that great lakes existed in the mountain basins as recently as 2500 years ago"
_ASIA MARS FOSSILS. "There is considerable controversy concerning the location of fossils in the geologic section in the Himalayas. I maintain innumerable fossils are present from animal and vegetable life which fell to Earth with the water from priori-Mars."
_MARS HEMISPHERES. "the northern plains of Mars are six kilometers lower than the rest of the planet."

ERROR: SEAFLOOR MAGNETIC STRIPES. "In ancient times, the Earth was thought to be like a bar magnet, with a frozen-in polarization of unknown origin. We now know from the study of magnetic striping moving away from mid-ocean ridges that the polarity flips every several hundred thousand years on average. So the field can only be generated dynamically, by the motion of charged particles." [The dating of reversals is wrong; they occurred every few minutes, not every few hundred millennia. See Distinti's article.]

Updates / MYTHS
« on: November 26, 2019, 12:05:56 pm »
On Saturn and the Flood (Immanuel Velikovsky)

The Jupiter Myth
by kauranos » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:19 pm
Hullo from newbie. John.
The Greek Antikythera mechanism for astronomy is a fact. The eclipse prediction calendar, a dial on the back of the mechanism includes a solar eclipse that happened May 12, 205 B.C. It used Babylonian maths not Greek trigonometry._ Smithsonian. By way of speculation: Egypt may have had telescopes.
The implications for the identification of glass production sites, for the organisation of trade and for the supply of natron within and outside Egypt are discussed in the light of Pliny’s accounts.

by kauranos » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:22 am
Antikythera may have been motivated ( not by DC) by Egypt's alleged telescopes which hypothetically were >20x mag.  The intense visible plumes of Io and Jupiter's corona may be what Pliny was on about. The eye of Horus , the red spot of Jupiter ?

Re: Ancient Technologies
by JP Michael » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:45 pm
The Antikythera mechanism may very well have accurately predicted eclipses and the like, but its apparent dating between 200 BCE and the shipwreck, 70-60 BCE, implies that it was utilised to observe the modern sky. It's bearing or usefulness regarding questions on the wild heavens of the recent past thus becomes suspect.
_It neither surprises me that Galileo Galilee observed electrical interaction between Jupiter and Io. Volcanism is an electrical phenomenon and to be expected on that moon, being as close as it is to the ex-brown dwarf star Jupiter. It may be that Jupiter (and Saturn, being the other prominent ex-star in our solar system) is still siphoning a small measure of electrical current from the galactic filament that is powering our sun, thus the resulting outbursts of volcanism on Io which is apparently unrelated to CMEs from the sun. That is a separate study in and of itself and I am not qualified to comment further. This is just an idea floating in my mind about Io's volcanism.
_Your quotation of Pliny is interesting, though, that Pliny knew to differentiate between terrestrial lightning and Jupiter's past interplanetary arc-plasma discharges. I think it is Homer's Illiad that said Zeus blasted Aphrodite (the moon) in the chest for attempting to interfere in Pallas-Athene's (Venus) celestial tiff with Ares (Mars). Kind of explains why our moon is a ghostly, scarred, electrically cratered and chasmed entity if that was indeed how the scene unfolded in the recent past.
_Mars' Olympus Mons and Valles Marineris might also be further evidence of direct contact between the Red Planet and Jupiter in the past. Ever since reading about the possibility of iron oxide (rusty, red dust) being a central component to Jupiter's Great Red Spot, it made me wonder if that was the precise location from which the arc of plasma shot forth from Jupiter to Mars in the past and electrically 'hoovered' vast quantities of magneto-charged Fe2O3 or Fe3O4 particulate from the Martian surface which has remained in that spiralling synchrotron of a storm ever since. Velikovsky's supposition of fights with Venus and/or Earth with Mars must also be considered in the overall reconstruction.
_I also disagree with the conclusion that the ancients required telescopes to perceive Jupiter's past polar plasma plumes. You are maintaining the false uniformitarian assumption that their skies were the same as our skies, a manifestly false a-priori. If this assumption were true, then you would be correct to suppose the ancients required telescopes to perceive Jupiter and its various phenomenon. There is significant evidence to the contrary, however:
1. Was much closer to the Earth in the past, so close that ancient art depicts Jupiter's patterns of equatorial banding.1 This was done without the use of telescopy.
2. Has an immense plasmasheath (jovesphere? as opposed to our sun's heliosphere) of its own. If you can locate Jupiter in the night sky tonight, place your hand over it and that is the approximate size of Jupiter's plasmasheath from a terrestrial perspective. If this plasmasheath had polar-oriented glow-mode tails (plasma plumes) on it, they would be visible from earth today without any need for a telescope. In fact, these plumes might somewhat resemble a squashed, thinner version of the Bali Thunderbolt image you posted above. How much more visible, then, would they have been in the past when Jupiter was much closer to the Earth?
_[1]I found it incredibly difficult to source the images of Jupiter's bands in ancient art. The best I could do was to screencap The Juptier Myth, part 2 @09:08. I do not know where Jno Cook sourced these ancient drawings from.
(at 9:08 / 24:06)

… by Lloyd » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:50 pm
I started a thread on my website on theories at . Below is how I'm starting it out. I may modify it eventually. If anyone has info or suggestions for collaboration etc, feel free to reply. I need to add one or more questions re Ancient Tech.

… by Lloyd » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:19 pm
John, kauranos, you should provide references, but I agree that those are good evidence. My impression is that there was very advanced civilization over 4,000 years ago, which produced the ancient maps shortly after the greatest cataclysms, but that later civilization lost a lot of tech, until the Renaissance.

by kauranos » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:34 am
Here we go: …

by Lloyd » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:01 pm
Thanks, John. Good job with listing your sources there (or I assume so, since I can't check them out easily). What do you think of the ancient maps that indicate that there was advanced tech much earlier, at the time of the Great Flood and other cataclysms, that allowed people then to make accurate maps before, during and after the ice sheets formed? Have you studied any of that?

Catastrophic Modelling Site
Sent: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:15 pm
From: JP Michael
To: Lloyd 
Hi Lloyd,
_I can help fill in some of the Creationist materials/questions if you require. I've been following many of the arguments of Oard/Baumgartner (to which I would also add Andrew Snelling and Steve Austin) and their RATE Project and Runaway Subduction catastrophist models for the last ~15 years.
_As far as I am aware, they utterly resent and abhor any and all theories that invoke celestial or planetary origins of terrestrial catastrophism. Their a-priori reticence is clearly crystalised in the creationist Genesis commentary of Dr. Jonathan Sarfati:
_“Bible based flood models should be deep-first, not heaven first... I accept as legitimate only those models that follow Scripture in teaching that the Flood began with a disturbance in the ocean, and reject those that have a first cause in the sky.” (The Genesis Account, p. 530)
_That this is a catastrophic error in current creationist thinking is manifest and I am currently compiling evidence to collate into a book to specfically address this untenable uniformitarian assumption regarding the skies of the ancient past.
_Let me know if you need anything. Many hands makes light work, afterall!

Sent: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:59 am
From: Lloyd
To: JP Michael 
Hi JP. Be glad to work with you. Many Creationists are likely to remain disinterested in mythology, since they tend to believe that the Bible is God's word while other myths are man's word. Mythology shows that the "Great Deep" referred to the sky, not the oceans, but the Creationists seem unlikely to consider that possibility. I haven't looked into what the original Hebrew terms were for the "Fountains of the Great Deep", have you? Maybe that would have some good clues. Do you use the site? I used it some years ago for a while.

Sent: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:40 pm
From: JP Michael
To: Lloyd 
Hi Lloyd,
_I quite agree that there is resistance to utilise mythological sources as reliable history amongst Creationists. As a creationist myself, this is one of the barriers I've had to overcome in my own thinking and it was not easy.
_Whilst I won't renege on my commitment to the Scriptures as the Living God's authoritative word, I believe there are many portions of it, particularly early portions, that have been routinely misinterpreted due to uniformitarian cosmology (let alone uniformitarian geology, but creationists are usually decent with catastrophist geology). For example, Genesis 1:14 says there were two 'great lights' in the ancient sky. These lights are never identified as the sun and the moon. That is an interpretation foistered on the text from observations of the current sky by all past and present Biblical interpreters.
_I have training in Biblical languages so I can actually comment further here. Mention of the 'sun' (shamash) does not occur until Gen 15:12, and the moon (yareach) until Gen 37:9, and in both cases translating them "Saturn" and "Crescent" (following David Talbott's The Saturn Myth, pp.276-280) respectively does little violence to the text, but much violence to the imposition of the modern sky upon the ancients'. Gen 15:12 is especially interesting, because the verb used there, also in 15:17, bo, means to come or come out, or emerge. It literally says in v.12, "It came to pass as shamash (Saturn) was emerging..." and v.17, "When shamash had emerged...". This is exactly in line with Talbott's thesis that ancient Saturn, being fixed in its place at the polar North as it was, "came out/appeared/emerged" at night and "went back/disappeared" during the daytime. A similar phenomenon exists today: compare the brightness of the moon seen during the day, and then compare it to the night (a phenomenon best noticed when moonrise occurs in the hours before sunset so one may watch the moon's 'emerging' brightness). The moon always appears brighter at night, it "comes out" (in brightness) at night, the same way Polestar Saturn did as recorded accurately and faithfully in Genesis 15.
_Notice English translations say, "When the sun had set," because they're forcing the modern sky on Abraham's and changing the meaning of bo from come (appear) to set (go, disappear) simply because they've started with a faulty assumption about the ancient sky and have no recourse but to force interpretations of the modern sky back on the ancient text. I agree wholeheartedly with Talbott that the Hebrew word shamash came to be used to describe the current sun after the disappearance of Saturn from the sky, hence the perpetual confusion of the two. I surmise, with Velikovsky, that that departure occurred at the time of the Exodus. Thus, I believe Abraham and Joseph very much witnessed Saturn in their ancient sky, not our current sun. All references to shamash after the Exodus of the Hebrews refer to the current sun, not Saturn.
_I think that the deep (Hebrew: tehom; Greek abysos) of Gen 1:2 is space, as you say. This same word is used of the fountains of the great deep in Gen 7:11 speaking of the flood (mayanot tehom rabbah: literally gushing fountains of the great deep). I find it significant that the term 'gushing fountains' is etymogically related to the Hebrew word for eye (ayin), sharing exactly the same root. I believe that the Hebrew language preserves in much of its etymology/roots and word associations fragments of memory of the ancient Saturnian configuration. Why are the words for 'spring' and 'eye' the same (ayin)? Mayanah, the singular form of mayanot of Gen 7:11, is a causative form of the same root: springs caused to gush, or fountains. What have these to do with eyes? I believe the association is because the eye, with its fountain of water (tears), was reminiscent to the Eye of Heaven configuration, with its fountains of waters that destroyed the world in the Deluge.
_In terms of resources, I find Jeff Benner's Ancient Hebrew Lexicon one of the best etymological resources available for such studies. Not only does he break down each word in its original ancient Hebrew root, he gives the most mechanical/concrete translations for them. Abstract thought is non-existent in ancient Hebrew and all Hebrew words have concrete meanings. The word tehom (#8415) is actually derived from a family of similar words related to the verb hom, roaring, wild and tumultuous, loud noise, destruction. Even the 'window' in 7:11 (arubbah, #699) is a chimney by which smoke can exit a place. The 'chimneys of heaven' sounds awfully similar to a column of interplanetary plasma carrying an abundance of water from Saturn to Earth at the time of the Deluge. Notice that the word for 'window' (chimney) in Gen 7:11 & 8:2 is a different word to the 'window' Noah opened in the ark (chalon, Gen 8:6, #2474, a word that has to do with the twisting, or boring, of an implement to make a hole in something).
_I also use E-Sword as a personal Bible app on my laptop (iPhone edition also available) simply because it is free (although I do donate) and it has all the essential resources I need to undertake my Biblical studies. I also do not need to depend on a website to make notes. Additional resources, such as specialist grammars, lexicon of the Septuagint, Louw-Nida's Semantic Lexicon for the New Testament, and so-on, I have in my personal library or via various smartphone apps.
_I'm not even scratching the surface when it comes to the preservation of concepts of the ancient sky preserved down the millenia in the Hebrew language. The ancient Hebrew letters themselves originate from an assortment of celestial imagery, both of the Saturnian configuration and also arc-mode plasmas that were all present in the sky at the time, but that is another thesis I am currently working on in my very limited free time and may, in a few years, find the light of day in a printed book.
_Sorry for this essay, but it feels good to talk about such things with someone who understands the issues at hand rather than dismissing them without critical analysis like most of the theologians and creationists I talk to.

Sent: Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:18 pm
From: Lloyd
To: JP Michael 
Hi JP. What does JP stand for? It's fun talking to you too.
I learned from that there are a lot of different meanings for each word in Hebrew. But I haven't studied Hebrew or Biblical Greek etc in detail, as you apparently have. What you have stated about some Hebrew words is very interesting and I'm sure some of the Thunderbolts team would be interested in discussing or collaborating with you, if you like. I worked with the team a little about ten years ago, but not a lot. I mostly just write independently on their Forum. I met Charles Chandler there in about 2011 and find his work on the electric universe to be far superior to that of Thornhill or Don Scott et al. He was developing his model at that time and has completed it pretty thoroughly since about 2014, though he continues to improve it. I tried to get the Thunderbolts people to have a friendly debate with Charles to improve the electric universe model, but they weren't interested. So I lost some respect for them. Charles' model is at
_Mike Fischer is somewhat of a Creationist, I think, but is open to other models. He has an excellent website at where he shows that the continents were formed when a supercontinent was struck by a large asteroid that split it up, causing rapid continental drift a few thousand years ago. John Baumgartner's article on Noah's Flood is also excellent IMO, but his explanation of continental drift is very inferior to Mike Fischer's. John's model has Earth's entire mantle churning to move the continents apart, but Mike's has just the crust moving, i.e. sliding, over the Moho layer in the crust.
_I'd like to share a lot of our discussion on the forum. Would you like me to start a new thread for a discussion there? Maybe it should be on the comparison of catastrophist models, like I started discussing on the Ancient Technologies thread. Maybe we can write a book together, or we can help each other write separate books.

LK2 Fossils & Dating / UPDATE/C14
« on: May 27, 2019, 12:42:25 pm »

1. SIS
C14 plateau affects Stonehenge dating
14 Dec 2012
Mike Parker-Pearson, on page 344 of his 2012 book, Stonehenge, says that when all sorts of things were going on, between 2470 and 2280BC, we are unable to precisely date the sequence of events as the calibration curve flattens out at this point in time. It is more or less impossible to get a single date any more precise than the broad 190 year plateau. We cannot be certain of the order in which things happened. Right on the button, somewhere within this plateau, is the low growth tree ring event Mike Baillie dates to 2345BC - central in the thrust of the series of SIS articles we have published by the late Moe Mandelkehr.
However, two events are associated elsewhere with the end of the Early Bronze Age in Sumeria, Egypt and the Levant, separated by around 150 to 200 years. In i) Sumeria = end of Early Dynastic III and end of Akkad, and ii) in Egypt end of dynasty 5 and dynasty 6, and iii) in the Levant end of Early Bronze III and IV. In Britain the C14 plateau is marked by the end of the Neolithic era, followed by the so called Copper Age, and again, followed by the Early Bronze Age (until around 1600BC). Now, looking at Stonehenge we might ask ourselves - is the plateau in C14 levels (an increase or a double increase episodes) as a result of two events. Why do plateaus in C14 appear to congregate near anomalous events such as narrow growth tree ring clusters? This is especially noticeable at i) the Younger Dryas boundary event, 13,000 years ago, the end of the Ice Age, anywhere between 18,000 and 15,000 years ago, and iii) the mass die off event somewhere between 40,000 and 30,000 years ago. This plateau is so big nothing prior to it can be dated by the C14 methodology. It would actually be useful to have a catalogue of C14 plateaus as they persisted right through the Holocene period. For instance, around 800BC, and C14 dates in the Late Roman period have thrown up several archaeological inconsistencies etc.


2. ENYART (from File: EnyartDat)


.2/19/16) 10:22AM)
Bob Enyart Live

(First part here is duplicate of BE/RAPID FORMATION)
RSR's List of Not So Old Things
Date: Jan 24, 2014 Length: 28:20

Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams observe their annual tradition by updating their growing list of scientific observations that challenge those who claim that the earth is millions of years old. Many of these scientific finds demand a re-evaluation of supposed billion-year ages.
- Man's Genetic Diversity in 200 Generations,
- Opals Form in Months, 
- C-14 Everywhere
See also Dr. Jonathan Sarfati's great article, How Old is the Earth? and RSR's very own!

* Wet Sand Hardens into Stone in Hours: Rather than taking geologic ages, here are three methods of rapidly turning sediments rock hard:
- water and common soil bacteria, in a couple hours, turn "soft sand" into "something resembling marble more than sandstone", according to scientists at Murdoch University who have gone from lab experiments to the marketplace where they spray bacteria-laden water onto sand for landowners who want to prevent erosion. See RSR's Oops show, Science Alert, and Creation magazine's Speedy Stone article.
- vibration, forcing the water out of mud and causing the grains to settle into an extremely rock-hard material
- plain water, sprayed on soft limestone (as miners do in Australia) to turn it into hard rock.
If you are aware of documentation for these last two methods of forming rapid rocks, which were related to RSR by our listeners, please email any documentation to us. Thanks!

mudstone deposit* One Half of the Earth's Sedimentary Layers Given the Green Light to Speed: A paper in the journal Science has documented experimental (and common sense) evidence that refutes a fundamental uniformitarian claim that had persisted for many decades. Mudstone, secular geologists believed, had to be deposited slowly over long ages because particles of mud cannot settle, they claimed, out of fast running water but, they believed, required long ages to precipitate out of still waters. That claim, evidently false on its face but uncritically accepted because it appeared to falsify the Bible's chronology, has now been refuted as published in one of the world's most prestigious journals.

The Heart Mountain Detachment: in Wyoming just east of Yellowstone, this mountain did not break apart slowly by uniformitarian processes but in only about half-an-hour as widely reported including in the evolutionist, "Land Speed Record: Mountain Moves 62 Miles in 30 Minutes." The evidence indicates that this mountain of rock covering 425 square miles rapidly broke into 50 pieces and slid apart over an area of more than 1,300 square miles in a biblical, not a "geological," timeframe.

Opals Can Form in "A Few Months" And Don't Need 100,000 Years: A leading authority on opals, Allan W. Eckert, observed that, "scientific papers and textbooks have told that the process of opal formation requires tens of thousands of years, perhaps hundreds of thousands... Not true." A 2011 peer-reviewed paper in a geology journal from Australia, where almost all the world's opal is found, reported on the "new timetable for opal formation involving weeks to a few months and not the hundreds of thousands of years envisaged by the conventional weathering model." More knowledgeable scientists resist the uncritical, group-think insistence on false super-slow formation rates.... Regarding opals, Darwinian bias led geologists to long ignore possible quick action, as from microbes, as a possible explanation for these mineraloids. For both in nature and in the lab, opals form rapidly, not even in 10,000 years, but in weeks.
(What also form rapidly are: manganese nodules, gold veins, stone, petroleum, canyons and gullies, and even gut fossils, all below)

Gold Precipitates in Veins in Less than a Second: After geologists submitted for decades to the assumption that each layer of gold would deposit at the alleged super slow rates of geologic process, the journal Nature Geoscience reports that each layer of deposition can occur within a few tenths of a second. Meanwhile, at the Lihir gold deposit in Papua New Guinea, evolutionists assumed the more than 20 million ounces of gold in the Lihir reserve took millions of years to deposit, but as reported in the journal Science, geologists can now demonstrate that the deposit could have formed in thousands of years, or far more quickly!

Box Canyon, Idaho: Geologists now think Box Canyon in Idaho, USA, was carved by a catastrophic flood and not slowly over millions of years with 1) huge plunge pools formed by waterfalls; 2) the almost complete removal of large basalt boulders from the canyon; 3) an eroded notch on the plateau at the top of the canyon; and 4) water scour marks on the basalt plateau leading to the canyon. Scientists calculate that the flood was so large that it could have eroded the whole canyon in as little as 35 days. See the journal Science, Formation of Box Canyon, Idaho, by Megaflood.

Source of beer can claim: World Almanac documentary* Manganese Nodules Rapid Formation: Allegedly, as claimed at the Wikipedia entry from 2005 through 2014: "Nodule growth is one of the slowest of all geological phenomena – in the order of a centimeter over several million years." Wow, that would be slow! And a Texas A&M Marine Sciences technical slide presentation says, “They grow very slowly (mm/million years) and can be tens of millions of years old.” But according to a World Almanac documentary they have formed "around beer cans," said marine geologist Dr. John Yates in the 1997 video Universe Beneath the Sea: The Next Frontier. There are also reports of manganese nodules forming around ships sunk in the First World War. See more at at, at TOL, in the print edition of the Journal of Creation, and in this typical forum discussion with atheists (at the Chicago Cubs forum no less :).

--- (Above is duplicate of BE/RAPID FORMATION)
--- (The rest below is not duplicate)

2a. - Diamonds from Botswana carbon-14 dated at 55,000 years old mined from rock dated 2 billion years old
2a. - Mount St. Helens rock that should date as solidifying 30 years ago but dating 350,000 to 2.8 million years old
2a. - Geologists say Uganda lava is just thousands of years ago but it's radioactively dated at 773 million years old
And separately, as microbial action forms opals rapidly, is there a similar function with cell membrane chemistry [a]ffecting the formation of Dolomite.

Accelerator Mass Spectrometer* Carbon-14 Found Everywhere It's Not Supposed To Be: Carbon-14, C14, decays in only thousands of years and therefore cannot last for millions. Thus evolutionists did not expect to find C-14 EVERYWHERE it shouldn't be if the earth were old (Answers 2011). Carbon-14 is found in petrified wood, coal, oil, limestone, graphite, natural gas, marble, deep ground water, dinosaur fossils, and even in supposedly billion-year-old diamonds! A secondary assumption by old-earth scientists proposes that the C-14 in diamonds (coal, etc.) must have come from C-13 and neutron capture. However, first, radio activity is concentrated in continental rock (see RSR Prediction below), and secondly, relatively speaking, radioactivity is relatively scar[c]e even in the continental crust, at least as documented by this U.S.G.S. report for enormous swatches of land. Thirdly, a geologist with a degree from Colorado's School of Mines who has a background in nuclear physics (who also spent years bombarding various elements with neutrons to make isotopes for industry), explained to RSR that Carbon does not easily absorb neutrons because it is the heavier elements beginning with Sodium that readily capture neutrons. Further, while it is possible but extremely unlikely that a Carbon atom will capture a free neutron, industrial processes use Carbon to slow down neutrons, whereas they use heavier elements, typically starting with Silicon, which is almost double the atomic weight of Carbon, for neutron capture. Consider also, as Dr. Paul Giem writes, that "since nitrogen-14 captures neutrons 110,000 times more easily than does carbon-13," samples with even tiny amounts of nitrogen would dramatically increase carbon dates, such that, "If neutron capture is a significant source of carbon-14 in a given sample, radiocarbon dates should vary wildly with the nitrogen content of the sample." Giem adds, "I know of no such data." And recognizing that U.S.G.S report of scarce crustal radioactivity for coal, basalt, shales, granite, fly ash, etc., Dr. Jonathan Sarfati builds upon Dr. Giem's research arguing that neutron capture could account for less than one 10,000th of the C-14 in diamonds (see these peer-reviewed calculations). See more at

* Helium Found Everywhere It's Not Supposed to Be: By the evolutionary time frame, zircon crystals should not have loads of helium in them, but they do. The periodic table shows helium to be an ultralight element. As even birthday balloons suggest, because its atom is so tiny helium easily escapes from virtually any enclosures, especially natural ones, including from crystals! The crystal lattice is large compared to the size of the tiny helium atom and any movement from natural molecular vibrations, especially as increased by temperature variations, will result in helium escaping any confinement. Empirical laboratory experiments confirm this obvious physical reality. Continental crust contains uranium, and uranium has a super slow half-life and its decay chain produces helium. The above facts enable us to test a huge assumption made by old-earth geologists, namely, That zircons, which also contain radioactive uranium, are a billion years old. :) If Real Science Radio on the periodic tablezircons were that old, and if uranium always decayed slowly over hundreds of millions of years, then zircons should have almost no helium in them becuase it would have diffused out relatively quickly. However,  a Ph.D. geophysicist from Los Alamos Nat'l Labs and other physicists and scientists published a prediction of the rate of helium diffusion from zircons at various temperatures. A high-precision laboratory then measured actual diffusion rates which dramatically matched their predictions, which were based on a 6,000 year age of the zircons. Meanwhile, a prediction based on billion-year ages would be off by a factor of about 10,000. more...

Accelerator Mass Spectrometer* Even Faster Rocks: As listed in Dec, 2010 Creation Matters, radiometric dating by Rubidium-Strontium gives a 1.3 billion year age for lava atop the Grand Canyon which would be 300 million years older than the Precambrian basalt at the bottom of the canyon, as reported by Steven Austin, Ph.D. Also, the Potassium-Argon dating method incorrectly indicates that certain minerals hardened into stone 350,000 years ago, when in reality they solidified just recently, in 1986, from lava that flowed six years after the enormous 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption. And some of the mineral within the then ten-year old rock was wrongly dated as having solidified two million years earlier.

MORE: From Creation magazine as discussed on RSR:
2b. - Fossil wood from England dated at 25,000 years by carbon-14 embedded in allegedly 183-million year old limestone
2b. - Mammal hair found in supposedly 100 million year old amber looks surprisingly "similar" to... modern hair

European and Asian Honey Bee Can Still "Talk" to Each Other. A researcher decided to put the two together to see what would happen. They are still able to communicate, putting into doubt the evolutionary claim that they were separated for 7 million years. See the Public Library of Science.

In the Grand Canyon there is a limestone layer averaging seven feet thick that runs the 277 miles of the canyon (and beyond) that covers hundreds of square miles and contains an average of one nautiloid fossil per square meter. Along with many other dead creatures in this one particular layer, 15% of these nautiloids were killed and then fossilized standing on their heads. Yes, vertically. They were caught in such an intense and rapid catastrophic flow that gravity was not able to cause all of their dead carcasses to fall over on their sides. Famed Mount St. Helens geologist Steve Austin is also the world's leading expert on nautiloid fossils and has worked in the canyon and presented his findings to the park's rangers at the invitation of National Park Service officials. Austin points out, as is true of many of the world's mass fossil graveyards, that this enormous nautiloid deposition provides indisputable proof of the extremely rapid formation of a significant layer of limestone near the bottom of the canyon, a layer like the others we've been told about, that allegedly formed at the bottom of a calm and placid sea with slow and gradual sedimentation. But a million nautiloids, standing on their heads, literally, would beg to differ. At our sister stie, RSR provides the relevant Geologic Society of America abstract, links, and video.

*  Now It's Allegedly Two Million Year-Old Leaves: "When we started pulling leaves out of the soil, that was surreal, to know that it's millions of years old..." sur-re-al: adjective: a bizarre mix of fact and fantasy. In this case, the leaves are the facts. Earth scientists from Ohio State and the University of Minnesota say that wood and leaves they found in the Canadian Arctic are at least two million years old, and perhaps more than ten million years old, even though the leaves are just dry and crumbly and the wood still burns!

Check out these images among a dozen journal papers confirming dinosaur soft tissue* After the Soft Tissue Discoveries, NOW Dino DNA: Back in 2007 a North Carolina State University paleontologist took the Tyrannosaurus Rex photos to the right of original biological material. Now, in 2013, the dinosaur soft tissue discoveries include DNA, blood vessels, collagen, osteocytes, hemoglobin, red blood cells, and various proteins, as published in many leading scientific journals, including Nature, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, Bone, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which have published peer-reviewed papers confirming the discovery of original biological material and even of dinosaur soft tissue  from many dinosaurs and dinosaur-layer creatures including from T. Rex., hadrosaur, titanosaur, triceratops, Lufengosaur, mosasaur, and Archaeopteryx.
- See the web's most complete listing of these journal papers, with links and excerpts, at RSR's #research.

"150 Million" year-old Squid Ink Not Decomposed: This still-writable ink had dehydrated but had not decomposed! The British Geological Survey's Dr. Phil Wilby, who excavated the fossil, said, "It is difficult to imagine how you can have something as soft and sloppy as an ink sac fossilised in three dimensions, still black, and inside a rock that is 150 million years old." And the Daily Mail states that, "the black ink was of exactly the same structure as that of today’s version", just desiccated. And Wilby added, "Normally you would find only the hard parts like the shell and bones fossilised but... these creatures... can be dissected as if they are living animals, you can see the muscle fibres and cells. It is difficult to imagine... The structure is similar to ink from a modern squid so we can write with it..." Why is this difficult for evolutionists to imagine? Because as Dr. Carl Wieland writes, "Chemical structures 'fall apart' all by themselves over time due to the randomizing effects of molecular motion."

* "160 Million" year-old Cuttlefish "ink sacs somehow escaped decomposition": Yes. Somehow. In their May 2012 National Geographic article, Fossil Ink Sacs Yield Jurassic Pigment--A First, the NG editors report that the ink is "'strikingly' similar to that of modern cuttlefish". [But as RSR says, read this as "identical" to modern cuttlefish, similar to the multitude of examples documented by creation Dr. Carl Werner in his fabulous Living Fossils DVD.] RSR appreciates evolutionary scientist and ink study co-author, University of Virginia Prof. John D. Simon, for acknowledging that, "As far as we can tell by everything we've thrown at it, the [ancient] ink is indistinguishable from modern ink." Hopefully though, Dr. Simon will reconsider the mountain of evidence for a young earth. For only  then can he help his students understand how it is possible, as Nat'l Geographic reports, that "the Jurassic ink sacs somehow escaped decomposition, providing scientists with 'exceptional' soft tissue specimens." Exceptional. Yes!

Removed Yellowstone Petrified Tree Sign:
Rare School of Jellyfish Fossilized: Previously, seven sedimentary layers had been described as taking a million years to form. And because jellyfish have no skeleton, it is rare to find them among fossils. But now, reported in the journal Geology, a school of jellyfish fossils have been found throughout those same seven layers in central Wisconsin, showing that they were not deposited over a million years, but during a single event and quickly enough to trap a school of jellyfish. This fossil school, therefore, taken as a unit forms a polystrate fossil.
- Examples are everywhere that falsify the claims of strata deposition over millions of years and even though they rarely fossilize, there's another locale with jellyfish fossils in multiple layers, in the Brockman Iron Formation in northwestern Australia. (Evolution's Big Squeeze: Like galaxies evolving just too quickly, and galaxy clusters no less, jellyfish too have gotten into the act squeezing the evolution timeline, here by 200 million years when they were found in strata allegedly a half-a-billion years old, and other examples, ironically referred to as Medusoid Problematica, are even found in pre-Cambrian strata!)
- Likewise, see the 171 tadpoles, and the whale, separately, all fossilized in a polystrate way in diatom deposits. And then, remember all those whales buried in the desert in Chile? According to Dr. Nick Pyenson, "What's really interesting is that this didn't just happen once. It happened four times," said this Smithsonian Institution evolutionist. Why's that? Because "the fossil site has at least four layers", to which Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart replies: "Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha", with RSR co-host Fred Williams thoughtfully adding, "Ha ha!"

Polystrate Fossils: In a thousand locations including the Fossil Cliffs of Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate fossils such as trees span many strata. Not only should such fossils, generally, not exist, but polystrate trees, jellyfish, and whales, etc., typically show no evidence of erosion increasing with height. All of this powerfully disproves the claim that the layers were deposited slowly over millions of years.

Removed Yellowstone Petrified Tree Sign* Yellowstone Petrified Tree Sign Removed: The National Park Service removed their incorrect sign (see left). The NPS had claimed that in dozens of different strata over a 40-square mile area, many petrified trees were still standing where they had grown. The NPS eventually removed the sign partly because those petrified trees had no root systems at their bases, which they would have had if they had grown there. Instead, the trees of this "fossil forest" have roots that are abruptly broken off within two or three feet of the base of the tree trunks. If these mature trees actually had been remnants of sequential forests that had grown up in strata layer on top of strata layer, 27 times on Specimen Ridge (and 50 times at Specimen Creek), such a natural history may imply passage of more time than permitted by biblical chronology. No root systems on Yellowstone petrified trees shows they did NOT grow in place...Long before we adopted the Real Science Radio name, Bob Enyart broadcast a geology program about the catastrophic destruction of forests and the hydraulic transportation and upright deposition of trees. The chief ranger from Haleakala National Park on Hawaii's island of Maui, Mark Tanaka-Sanders, whom Bob had the honor of meeting (over dinner in Mark's home) corresponded with his colleagues at Yellowstone urging them to remove the sign, which they did. (See also AIG, CMI, and all the original Yellowstone exhibit photos.) Groundbreaking research conducted by creation geologist Dr. Steve Austin in Spirit Lake after the eruption of Mount St. Helens provided a modern-day analog to the formation of Yellowstone fossil forest. A steam blast from that volcano blew over tens of thousands of trees leaving them without attached roots. Many thousands of those trees were floating upright in Spirit Lake, and began sinking at varying rates into rapidly and sporadically deposited sediments. Once Yellowstone's successive forest interpretation was falsified (though like with junk DNA, it's too big to fail, so many atheists and others still cling to it), the erroneous sign was removed.

Surtsey Island, Iceland: Of the volcanic island that formed in 1963, New Scientist reported in 2007 about Surtsey that "geographers... marvel that canyons, gullies and other land features that typically take tens of thousands or millions of years to form were created in less than a decade." Yes. And Iceland's official geologist wrote in the months after Surtsey formed, "that the time scale," he had been trained "to attach to geological developments is misleading." For what is said to "take thousands of years... the same development may take a few weeks or even days here," including to form "a landscape... so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief" with "wide sandy beaches and precipitous crags... gravel banks and lagoons, impressive cliffs… hollows, glens and soft undulating land... fractures and faultscarps, channels and screes… confounded by what met your eye... boulders worn by the surf, some of which were almost round..."

Genome "History" Contradicts Alleged Tree of Life: the chimpanzee Y chromosome and the genomes of  kangaroos, worms, and sponges [are also recent].

Fossil "Reefs":  As we report in our Real Science Radio program on modern reefs and alleged fossil "reefs" (, PhD geologist Andrew Snelling did a great job presenting the widespread secular, peer-reviewed journal conclusions that fossil reefs are not reefs at all, that they lack the reef framework of layers upon layers of skeletons, and that they cannot be explained by comparison to modern reefs. Rather, "fossil reefs" are typically jumbled and broken flood deposits which often lack widespread remains of the very creatures that form reefs. Likewise Dr. Tas Walker undermined the old-earth argument for paleosols (alleged ancient soil horizons which are actually pseudosols), which typically lack multiple diagnostic features including lacking evidence of roots, lacking expected layer horizons, and where relevant, lack the burned organic matter that would have been expected from overlying lava flows). And Dr. John Woodmorappe likewise undermined the old-earth argument regarding alleged paleokarsts (geologic column strata supposedly shaped by long exposure to surface erosion, a.k.a. pseudokarsts).

* Algae to Petroleum in Less than One Hour: Scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory have discovered a way of turning algae into crude oil. They begin with "algae and water, and have remarkably turned the mixture into a kind of crude oil in less than an hour. The crude oil is suitable to be turned into burnable gases like jet fuel, gasoline or diesel." See this in the must-read Creation magazine, and you may enjoy CMI's Oil Not Always a Fossil Fuel!

* Fossils with Protein, DNA and Bacteria: For years evolutionists ridiculed the greatest paleontological discovery in history, dinosaur soft tissue, in deference to their old-earth evolutionary assumptions. Now that original dinosaur tissue and even T. rex DNA has been found, the existence of biological material and even living bacteria in allegedly million-year-old specimens should be acknowledge[d] and re-assessed. As listed by Dr. Walt Brown…

- allegedly 17 million  year old magnolia leaf contains DNA (Scientific American 1993)
- allegedly 80 million year old hadrosaur and T. rex DNA (the Journal Bone, 2013)
- allegedly 120 million  year old insect fossil contains DNA  (Nature 1993)
- allegedly 200 million  year old fish fossil contains DNA (Science. News 1992)
- allegedly 30 million  year old bee fossil contains LIVING bacteria (Science 1995)
- allegedly 600 million  year old rock contains LIVING bacillus (Nature 2000).

* Initial Tests Show Mostly Left-Handed Amino Acids in Amber, Shale, Titanosaur & T. rex Eggshells, and Chert! Like hands and hockey sticks, some molecules are right or left handed. Life uses 100% left-handed amino acids to build proteins (and purely right-handed sugars to build DNA). The laws of chemistry demonstrate that after death, amino acids racemize back to a 50-50 mixture of right- and left-handed acids. England's Royal Society published a time range for this physical process which, "produces totally racemized amino acids in 10(5)-10(6) [100,000 to 1,000,000] years in most environments on the Earth." (So researchers have even begun dating whale carcasses by the spherical growth patterns in the eye by measuring the percent of left-handed acids in each lens layer.) Yet allegedly far older insects in amber yield mostly left-handed amino acids such that researchers shockingly suggest a half-life of a billion years for racemization in amber! See more at

Lizard "evovles" new gut in 37 years! :)* Lizard "Evolves" New Gut in 37 Years! A change in habitat forced a vegetarian diet upon Podarcis sicula lizards. The leafy diet in turn activated pre-existing genetic instructions that modified the digestive system in the offspring of seven lizards that had been transported to a nearby island in 1971. When existing genetic information suddently expresses itself, biased scientists, like the Darwin marketing reps at National Geographic, will attempt to trick folks who are not paying close attention into believing that mutation and natural selection created some new biological information. The NG headline reads, "Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island" and the article wrongly claims that, "They evolved an expanded gut [with cecal valves] to allow them to process these leaves... This was a brand-new structure." Once again the pop science press misrepresented the actual findings of a scientific paper. For other populations of related species, and of the exact same species, have the same structure! "These valves are similar in overall appearance and structure to those found in herbivorous lacertid, agamid, and iguanid lizards and are not found in other populations of P. sicula or in P. melisellensis."

2c. HUMANS: 6,000 YEARS
"6,000 year-old" Mitochondrial Eve: As the Bible calls "Eve... the mother of all living" (Gen. 3:20), genetic researchers have named the one woman from whom all humans have descended "Mitochondrial Eve." But in a scientific attempt to date her existence, they openly admit that they included chimpanzee DNA in their analysis in order to get what they viewed as a reasonably old date of 200,000 years ago (which is still surprisingly recent from their perspective, but old enough not to strain Darwinian theory too much). But then as widely reported including by Science magazine, when they dropped the chimp data and used only actual human mutation rates, that process determined that Eve lived only six thousand years ago! In Ann Gibbon's Science article, "Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock," rather than again using circular reasoning by assuming their conclusion (that humans evolved from ape-like creatures), they performed their calculations using actual measured mutation rates. This peer-reviewed journal then reported that if these rates have been constant, "mitochondrial Eve… would be a mere 6000 years old." See also the journal Nature and's "A shrinking date for Eve," and Walt Brown's assessment. Expectedly though, evolutionists have found a way to reject their own unbiased finding (the conclusion contrary to their self-interest) by returning to their original method of using circular reasoning, as reported in the American Journal of Human Genetics, "calibrating against recent evidence for the divergence time of humans and chimpanzees,"  to reset their mitochondrial clock back to 200,000 years.

Most Human Mutations Arose in 200 Generations: From Adam until Real Science Radio, in only 200 generations! The journal Nature reports The Recent Origin of Most Human Protein-coding Variants. As summarized by geneticist co-author Joshua Akey, "Most of the mutations that we found arose in the last 200 generations or so" (the same number previously published by biblical creationists). Another 2012 paper, in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology (Eugenie Scott's own field) on High mitochondrial mutation rates, shows that one mitochondrial DNA mutation occurs every other generation, which, as creationists point out, indicates that mtEve would have lived about 200 generations ago. That's not so old!

2c. HUMANS: Under 6,000 YEARS
Even Younger Y-Chromosomal Adam: (Although he should be called, "Y-Chromosomal Noah.") While we inherit our mtDNA only from our mothers, only men have a Y chromosome. Based on documented mutation rates on and the extraordinary lack of mutational differences in this specifically male DNA, the Y-chromosomal Adam would have lived only a few thousand years ago! (He's significantly younger than mtEve because of the genetic bottleneck of the global flood.) Yet while the Darwinian camp wrongly claimed for decades that humans were 98% genetically similar to chimps, secular scientists today, using the same type of calculation only more accurately, have unintentionally documented that chimps are about as far genetically from what makes a human being a male, as mankind itself is from sponges! Geneticists have found now that sponges are 70% the same as humans genetically, and separately, that human and chimp Y chromosomes are  "horrendously" 30% different. (See also Why Was Canaan Cursed?)

* A Not So Old Tooth: This "Neanderthal tooth" was initially dated by the inaccurate "rock layer method" to tens of thousands of years old. Now, secular scientists have now used reliable scientific methods to date the tooth. Turns out that it belonged to someone who lived less than 5,000 years ago. (And of course, Neanderthal's were people too! It's just that "cavemen" didn't live all that long ago :)

* Calendars: Aside from the worldwide evidence that ancient cultures used a 360-day year (which fact itself points to the reality of the global flood), realize also that the great cultures of the world have calendars that begin not tens of thousands of years ago, but only a few thousand years ago, agreeing roughly speaking with the chronology of Genesis. For example:
- the Mayan calendar begins at 3114 B.C.
- the Jewish calendar begins 3761 B.C.
- the Chinese calendar begins with the (mythical?) Yellow Emperor at 2697 B.C.
- the Christian calendar that resets with the birth of Christ
- the reckoning of creation, by the chronologies of Isaac Newton, Johann Kepler, and Bishop Ussher, at ~4000 B.C.
- the Catholic reckoning of creation, in Pope Gregory's Roman Catholic Martyrology, of 5199 B.C.
- the biblical reckoning of creation, per the Septuagint (and by cometary reckoning) at about 5000 B.C.

* Tiny Diamonds that Seemingly Formed Almost Instantaneously: While their short-lived carbon-14 indicates that diamonds are not a billion years old, a University of Tennessee geologist presented findings at an annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union on a rock filled with tiny diamonds, stating, "It's like they formed instantaneously." Diamonds are also known to form virtually instantaneously in impact craters. The high pressure required to form diamonds has misled secularists to assume that most are formed in the Earth's mant[le] about 100 miles below the surface, and then transported over millions of years to the surface. In reality though, many diamonds were formed in the enormous pressures produced in the Earth's crust during the compression phase of the global flood. 

Scablands formed rapidly; case study reveals bias...* The Scablands: The primary surface features of the Scablands, which cover thousands of square miles of eastern Washington, were long believed to have formed gradually. Yet, against the determined claims of uniformitarian geologists, there is now overwhelming evidence as presented even in a NOVA TV program that the primary features of the Scablands formed rapidly from a catastrophic breach of Lake Missoula causing a massive regional flood. Of course evolutionary geologists still argue that the landscape was formed over tens of thousands of years, now by claiming there must have been a hundred Missoula floods. However, the evidence that there was Only One Lake Missoula Flood has been powerfully reinforced by a University of Colorado Ph.D. thesis. So the Scablands itself is no longer available to old-earthers as de facto evidence for the passage of millions of years.

UGC 12158 spiral galaxy* Spiral Galaxies: after their alleged billions of years the spiral arms of “pinwheel” galaxies should now be deformed, since as has been known for decades, the speed of the arms does not align with the galaxy centers, so there is “missing billions of years” of deformation in spiral galaxies. Atheistic astronomers have great difficulty even explaining where our own Moon came from, let alone our entire solar system and the entire universe. And just like Darwin's "Origin of Species" begins with species, the standard models of star formation begin with the explosion of preexisting stars or with star formation already underway. Astrophysicists even admit they can’t figure out which formed first, stars or galaxies, showing that their Big Bang hypothesis does not merit the absolute trust that millions put in it. Thus far from being able to explain how the universe could form apart from God, they are groping in the dark. See RSR 7-25-08 at KGOV.

* Transient Solar System Events: The many unexpected transient elements in our solar system including changes on the Moon's surface, changes in Saturn's rings (see below), and the lifespan of our short-period comets which last only thousands, and not millions, of years because of the significant percent of their mass burning off each time their orbit approaches perihelion, when they are nearest to the Sun.

* Transient Galactic Events: There are also transient galactic elements such as the extreme variability from 1987 till 1991 in one of the brightest objects in the gamma-ray sky, quasar 3C 279, which then faded from gamma-ray view!

NASA Supernova photo & story: "just a few thousand years ago" * Supernova Remnants: an explosion appeared in the night sky in 1054 A.D. as a supernova remnant (SNR) forming the Crab Nebula. Evolutionary scientists have measured and calculated the expected rate that stars would explode. However, if the universe is billions of years old, the vast majority of SNRs (like the Crab Nebula) that should exist, are missing! Instead, the number of SNRs corresponds well to the expected number if the universe is less than 10,000 years old, especially considering that astronomers have not found a single SNR at Stage 3 (a great diameter)! Of course, the lack of Stage 3 SNRs is consistent with the young universe. Listen to this Real Science Radio program at!

* The Missing Big Bang Shadow: The missing "shadow" of the Big Bang from behind nearby galaxies is a prediction of biblical creationism. Yet the Astrophysical Journal reported that no shadow was detected after averaging measurements from NASA data for 31 galaxy clusters. As a Huntsville, Alabama scientist Dr. Richard Lieu stated, "Either... the Big Bang is blown away or ... there is something else going on'." Other evidence consistent with a not-so-old universe includes connected galaxies, galaxy clusters, the missing gas and dust of intracluster medium (ICM) in globular clusters of hundreds of thousands of stars purportedly emitting matter from solar winds for billions of years, and nearby blue stars!

* Saturn’s Rings: Not evincing the stability suggested by their presumed 50 to 100 million year-old age, instead of showing their predicted stability, Saturn's rings have changed significantly since man’s first mappings, including the startling (to evolutionists) rapid approach of the inner-most ring toward the planet. See RSR 4-10-06 at KGOV.

* "Surprisingly Orderly" Star Clusters in Spiral Galaxies: The Big Bang model predicted that the bulge of stars in the center of spiral galaxies resulted from millions of years of collisions. But about the perfect orderliness of those stars, as reported in the New Scientist article, Galaxies too good to be true, Princeton University cosmologist Jim Peebles admitted that, "It's really an embarrassment." And cosmologist John Kormendy says that the pristine bulges "were something of a shock" and "look rather too perfect." To which RSR says :) and about which Spike Psarris created the greatest astronomy DVDs ever made, and thanks to Creation magazine for alerting RSR to this! Those who believe in naturalist origins are forever dismayed, shocked, and even call the latest discoveries "horrendous" because scientific observations typically contradict the fundamental predictions of atheistic origins. (One small example: Most animals reproduce sexually, yet Darwinism would never predict sexual reproduction.)

* 9 Billion Years of Missing Metal in Spiral Galaxies: Some people don't like heavy metal, but who would have chucked nine billion years worth? Fifteen entire galaxies studied contradict the standard model of star and galaxy formation which claims that as billions of years pass during star evolution, they're supposed to create way more heavier metals than these trillion or so stars possess. See this at

* Earth's Magnetic Field Rapid Decay: As summarized by University of Maryland geophysicist Daniel Lathrop, “In particular, over the last 150 years or so, the Earth’s magnetic field has declined in strength about ten percent, and continues to decline in strength [as is evident] every time people go and make new measurements.” Creationists point out that this rapid decay is not expected in such a brief snapshot in time if our planet were 4.6 billion years old. On the other hand, these careful, long-term, and worldwide measurements that document the rapidly decreasing strength of Earth's magnetic field are consistent with a young Earth. Lathrop, not surprisingly, is an old-earth geophysicist who nonetheless acknowledged this data. Creationist physicist Russell Humphreys of Sandia National Labs has updated his previous work by publishing Earth's Magnetic Field Is Decaying Steadily, which includes global data through 2010. Humphreys observes that, "in 1968 the International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy (IAGA) began more systematically measuring, gathering, and analyzing geomagnetic data from all over the world. ... Every five years starting in 1970, they have published both dipole and non-dipole components of the field. Using older data, the IAGA also extended the model..." backward in time. See more at our RSR site,

Earth's Rapid Magnetic Reversals: Do not confuse the field's decay with its reversals. Dr. Walt Brown, with a Ph.D. in electrical engineering from MIT, lists here and here the published research opposing any notion that magnetic "reversals" must occur over long periods. For example:
- Evidence Suggesting Extremely Rapid Field Variations During a Geomagnetic Reversal, Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 1989.
- Earth's Field Flipping Fast, New Scientist, 1992.
- New Evidence for Extraordinarily Rapid Change of the Geomagnetic Field During a Reversal, Nature 1995.
In his book In the Beginning, Dr. Brown points out that, "At one time the orientation of the earth's magnetic field changed rapidly by up to 6 degrees per day for several days." Update: In 2014, an old-earth scientist disclaimed his own research, retracting his support for rapid reversals based, not on the large reliable magnetic grains that are difficult to reorient, but on the smaller, less reliable grains which move far more easily. Click for the references and for Dr. Russell Humphrey's answer to the question: Why has one author retracted?

* The Palouse River Gorge: In the southeast of Washington State, the Palouse River Gorge is one of many features formed rapidly by 500 cubic miles of water catastrophically released with the breaching of a natural dam in the Lake Missoula Flood (which gouged out the Scablands as described above). So, hard rock can be breached and eroded rapidly.

Missing strata from the geologic column in the grand canyon* Grand Canyon's Millions of Missing Years: According to evolutionary geologists, there are MORE THAN 100 MILLION YEARS MISSING in the extraordinarily regular and straight layers of the Grand Canyon. The supposed geological layers entirely missing from the beautifully formed Grand Canyon strata, according to the National Park Service, include the Ordovician and the Silurian. The flat boundaries between strata provide hard evidence proving that millions of years of erosion DID NOT OCCUR, and that therefore, those millions of years DID NOT PASS, neither in the canyon nor anywhere on Earth. Also, the enormous side canyons, many of which would be major tourist attractions if they had formed elsewhere on Earth, have no river, Colorado or otherwise, to explain their existence, for they were formed by the rapid drainage of groundwater in the weeks after the flood catastrophically formed after the breach of a natural dam. The Grand Canyon formed rapidly.

* Carlsbad Cavern Formation: The National Park Service repeatedly changed the sign at the cave entrance which at first claimed that formation took "260 million years", then "8 million years", then "2 million years", and then they took the sign down altogether. See for the documentation. On Bob Enyart's family vacation in 2005 they heard onsite the official Carlsbad audio tour which now accurately states that the, "rate of formation depends on the amount of available water." (Previously, you could enjoy listening to that audio tour online but apparently it has now been removed from the web. In 2016 RSR will try to make that available again.)

* Death Valley Volcano Erupts AFTER Formation of Earth: According to the USGS, "The understanding of the timing of eruptions [in Death Valley] and the timing of the building up to eruptions is changing." Anti-biblical bias frequently leads scientists to a knee-jerk claim of events occurring tens of thousands or millions of years ago, which if true would falsify the Bible account of the creation week and the literal interpretation of Genesis presented by Jesus Christ Himself. According to USA Today, in this particular instance, the old claim that a Death Valley eruption occurred 10,000 years ago, which as Isaac Newton himself would have pointed out, would awkwardly have been prior to God's creation of the universe, actually occurred only 800 years ago, according to more careful scientific observations, as per the trend evident on this list-of-not-so-old-things!


Applications of radiocarbon dating [TO DO: Add Links]
The development of this page will be gradual and contributions are invited. There are many, many interesting applications of radiocarbon dating in a variety of different fields. If you would like to set up information regarding a project in which radiocarbon dating illuminated or solved a problem or in which C14 played a central role, please contact

The Dead Sea scrolls Page describing the Dead Sea scrolls at the Library of Congress, Washington.
Dead Sea Scrolls Short press release concerning the recent radiocarbon dating of some of the scrolls.
Kennewick Man Newspaper reports concerning the 9,200-year-old bones found recently along the banks of the Columbia River in Kennewick, Washington.
Debert, a palaeoIndian site in Nova Scotia Extensive radiocarbon dating from the Debert site, Nova Scotia indicates occupation between 10,600 and 10,700 BP.
Archaeometry and Stonehenge Presentation of results of excavations and dating of the Stonehenge 20th century excavations project.
Dating Stonehenge 52 radiocarbon dates have been measured in the reexcavation of parts of this famous archaeological site.
The Cave of Chauvet-Pont-D'Arc Radiocarbon dates from the caves are the earliest currently known for rock art in the region.
Archaeological research at Oslonki, Poland The site of Oslonki is dated by 24 radiocarbon dates, which when calibrated to calendar years point to a dating of between 4300 and 4000 B.C.
Dombate passage tomb, Spain WWW page about the megalithic monument of Dombate (La Corunha, Galicia, NW Spain) with several C14 dates for different moments of the life of the monument (in Spanish).
The Origins of Angkor Archaeological Project From the University of Otago (New Zealand) and the Fine Arts Department of Thailand, the project is concerned with investigating archaeology of pre-formative Angkorean society of South East Asia. Radiocarbon dating underpins the chronological aspects of the investigation.
Radiocarbon dating of the Angel site and phase in regional perspective. Sherri Hilgeman and Mark Schurr of the Glenn A. Black Laboratory of Archaeology.
Radiocarbon chronology from the prehistoric Caborn site, Indiana. by Cheryl Ann Munson (Indiana University) and Marjorie Melvin Jones (University of Southern Indiana).
Excavations at Pinarbasi, near Catal Huyuk, Turkey. Radiocarbon data.
Database of radiocarbon dates for British & Irish archaeology.
Archaeometry (University of Oxford) Past datelists.
Absolute Chronology for Early Civilisations in Austria and Central Europe using 14C Dating with Accelerator Mass Spectrometry
Canadian Archaeological Radiocarbon Database.
Mapping Ancient History A Java based map of Canada, showing the location and spread of dated sites based on the radiocarbon dates held in the Canadian Archaeological Radiocarbon database
Scientific American article, "Artful Dating" - dating geoglyphs, found on the desert floor of the southwestern U.S.

The World Ocean Circulation Experiment (WOCE) The World Ocean Circulation Experiment (WOCE); at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution's NOSAMS Facility. Measuring carbon in the Pacific and Indian Ocean to understand better the processes of ocean circulation.
Ocean sediment C-14 data The Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University has compiled 974 C-14 dates from 309 ocean sediments cores, covering the period from 40,000 years BP to the present worldwide.

 The America's Project A palaeovegetational reconstruction of the North and South Americam continents using a radiocarbon dated timeframe from 15-9 ky BP.
Wrangel Island Mammoths Abstract of the Radiocarbon article of the fascinating discovery that mamoths were still alive on this subarctic island at 2000 BC.
TephraBase Radiocarbon Search Search the Tephrabase directory for radiocarbon dated volcanic tephras.
Dating of Bear Lake, Western USA. The USGS Bear Lake Project aims to create records of past climate change for the Bear Lake region,including changes in precipitation patterns during the last 10,000 years and how the size of Bear Lake has varied in the past, to assess the possibility of future flooding and drought.
Radiocarbon dating the inundation of the Bering Land Bridge New Evidence on the Timing of Inundation of the Bering Land Bridge, Based on Radiocarbon Ages of Macrofossils.
Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research, University of Arizona.
Ancient Bristlecone Pine homepage.
Aegean Dendrochronology Project at Cornell University.
The International Tree-Ring Data Bank (ITRDB)maintained by the NOAA Paleoclimatology Program and World Data Center for Paleoclimatology.
The Sheffield Dendrochronology Laboratory, Sheffield, England.
The Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, England.
Current research in palaeoclimates and solar variation using tree ring dated C14 chronologies at the University of Arizona.
Palaeoclimates from Arctic Lakes and Estuaries (PALE) Home Page, including palaeoclimate databases from around the world.
Various Paleoclimatology links, University of Massachusetts, Climate System Research Center.

The Mars Meteorite. Investigation of the "terrestrial age"of Martian Meteorites using radiocarbon.

Family & Friends / Home
« on: May 13, 2019, 10:37:25 pm »

CutFog / Custer's Insurance
« on: April 16, 2019, 12:55:42 pm »
The Custer Hoax.
PAPER UPDATE, added 4/10/19, The Custer Hoax. A reader pointed out to me that some big information was buried in one of the Dances with Spooks footnotes. Custer and his officers had big life insurance policies, which were paid in full. See last addendum.
Custer Bought Life Insurance Policy Before Battle of Little BigHorn
- A copy of Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer’s life insurance policy is on display at Fort Abraham Lincoln State Park in North Dakota.
The replica of the $5,000 New York Life Insurance policy was taken out on June 4, 1874, about two years before he died at the Battle of the Little Bighorn.
- Custer’s wife, Libbie, was the beneficiary of his policy.
- The policy would be worth about $500,000 today.
- Potter said several of Custer’s officers had life insurance policies ranging from $5,000 to $10,000.
- The insurance company “paid out a lot of money,” he said.

CutFog / Phoenicians
« on: April 16, 2019, 12:22:49 pm »
Comments for "Ancient Spooks: Part I" at

A video called "history of the entire world, i guess" at said after the Phoenicians, someone conquered most of India, except the southernmost part ruled by the Tamil Kings who controlled the spice trade somewhat. I'm wondering if the Tamils were related to the Phoenicians. So I searched online and found the following.

There's an article called:
Tamils and Sumerians Among the FIRST to Reach Australia and Antarctica? PART I
History’s Lost Transoceanic Voyages: Tamils and Sumerians Among the FIRST to Reach Australia and Antarctica?— PART II

Another article is called:
Dravidians-Indians (Tamils) the parents of Mexico and Meso-America? Who Brought The Mayans To Mexico? or Were the ancient Turks, Akkads (Sumerians) and Dravidians (Tamils-) the parents of Mexico and Meso-America?
The time is about 1,500 BC. A fleet of Tamil ships in some harbor of the Konkan or Kankon, ... Western India, ... goal is to sail to Patala or what is now Mexico and Meso-America, leaving emigrant settlers there. ...  The ancient Tamils were international traders and colonizers. Wherever they went in the world, they left an unmistakable imprint of their presence, such as place names, foods, games, and temple buildings.
... ABOUT WHO THE PHOENICIANS REALLY WERE. Before continuing with this article, I must clarify who the Phoenicians really were.  I first learned about these people ...  from the 19th century British Orientalist George Rawlinson'­s book, Phoenicia. ... But even he was off base. ... the Phoenicians and Aryans were the same people. ...  the famed Piri Reis 6000 years old map of the world was made from older Turkish maps. ... even the Akkad or Sumerians were Turkish. The Akkads (Sumerians) were Phoenicians. known also as Kads, Khatti, etc. ... [After] the Great Flood, ...  the survivors had to build their civilization all over again. ...  the Asura empire governed the Indus Valley ... even the Phoenicians were Asuras. ... Many scholars agree that Asura was Assyria ... The ancient Phoenicians claimed that they originally came from the lands alongside the "Erythean Sea" [off] the western coast of India. ... The stone heads of Easter Island ... [wear] Tamil turbans? ...  Votan was never a single person. He was really a "nation of sailors". This ancient nation of sailors and adventurers is still with us: The Dravidian Tamils!

The Phoenicians in East Africa
Between 1200-1100 B.C., great events were happening. ... The Persians blamed the Phoenicians for starting tit-for-tat kidnappings that would eventually lead to Paris of Troy (& son of the King of the Trojans) abducting Helen (wife of Menelaus, King of Sparta). [Another recent article showed that the Greek and Trojan conflict very likely occurred around the Baltic Sea when the climate there was much warmer. Many of them later migrated to the Mediterranean as the northern climate cooled. See "Homer in the Baltic: Summary" ] Herodotus apparently regarded the Phoenicians as the fount of all subsequent Euro/Asian disputes ... The alliance of Hiram of Tyre and Solomon of Israel led to the Aqaba/Elath/Eilat region of Israel being “Phoenicia beyond Israel” as Phoenicians from the city-state of Tyre built ships for Solomonic Israel of what has been called the Tarshish type. ... My reference to the various Semitic groups are intended to to demonstrate that the Phoenicians are not non-Semitic in their taking to the sea but are one of several such groups. They may be exceptional in the lengths to which they took this but then the circumstance of the homeland in the Lebanon plus the strong I/E presence they apparently absorbed may partly explain this. Certainly, easily the thing for which they are most famous is their maritme expertise. ...

« on: March 17, 2019, 08:48:08 pm »

Where is the Flood/post-Flood Boundary? (Mesozoic host sediments are post-Flood)

The fossil record - Becoming more random all the time
The reality of the geologic column is predicated on the belief that fossils have restricted ranges in rock strata. In actuality, as more and more fossils are found, the ranges of fossils keep increasing. I provide a few recent examples of this, and then show that stratigraphic-range extension is not the exception but the rule. The constant extension of ranges simultaneously reduces the credibility of the geologic column and organic evolution, and makes it easier for the Genesis Flood to explain an increasingly-random fossil record.

Reliable data disconfirm a late Cenozoic post-Flood boundary
post-Flood boundary lies deeper, likely at or near the K-Pg boundary

SOURCES + OUTLINE / Catastrophist Video Channels
« on: February 17, 2019, 11:39:05 am »
Society for Interdisciplinary Studies

Climate Science Week in review

The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change

Cosmic Tusk

Creation . com

Institute for Creation Research

Graham Hancock Ancient News

Thunderbolts TPODs

Antonio Zamora's Younger Dryas Impact etc Channel

Ancient Architects Channel

UnchartedX Channel to Rewrite History

The Electric View

Thunderbolts Project

Brien Foerster's Ancient Tech Channel

Mystery History's Ancient Tech Channel

Charles Kos

Randall Carlson's Catastrophist GeoCosmic REX Channel

Phenomenal Travel Videos (Advanced Ancient Tech)

Bright Insight's Catastrophism & Ancient Tech Channel

Sacred Geometry International

LK4 Continental Drift & Orogeny / ICE AGE
« on: January 18, 2019, 09:57:50 pm »

Only one glaciation, Michael Oard

What caused the Ice Age?

Non-glacial landforms indicate thin Scandinavian and British-Irish Ice Sheets

Do Greenland ice cores show over one hundred thousand years of annual layers?

Are the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets old?

Updates / THOTH
« on: January 01, 2019, 06:40:32 pm »
Thoth from

The Ship of Heaven [Aeon Journal]
... be understood apart from the basic character of the enclosed sun. Illuminated by the solar orb, Saturn's celestial dwelling presented a brightly lit half, so that as the Earth turned on its axis, earthbound observers saw two revolving semicircles of light and shadow moving in a vast pathway around the stationary orb of Saturn. Hence, our model implies that the ship was part and parcel of the sun god's enclosure. In the Egyptian Pyramid Texts, King Unas announces, "I revolve round heaven like Ra, I sail round heaven like Thoth." (23) While Ra's image is the enclosed sun, the common symbol of Thoth is the crescent-enclosure. Allowing the one image to explain the other, we see that Unas does not here engage in two separate acts, but in a single act depicted in two different ways: to revolve within the Aten is to sail in the crescent ship of Thoth. "I stand up in thy enclosure, O Maa; I sail round about," reads the Book of the Dead. (24) From such

The Hermes Connection [Aeon Journal]
... the Hindu Siva (Shiva). A revitalization of the hermetic legends in Egypt was brought to full fruition by Seti the Great of the Tanitic Dynasty-- in the second half of the 7th century B.C., according to the historical reconstruction of Velikovsky. Seti's royal name was taken from the dark god Set, another Saturnian image or avatar, whom Wallis Budge claimed was equated with Hermes/Mercury, (12) although this identification stems from the late Ptolemaic period. Seti's formalized regnal association was with the comparable Egyptian deity Thoth (12a), who is equated with Hermes. (13) Thus, Velikovsky's historiographic analysis is supported by this association. A comparison of a "dark god" with other ancient attributes pertaining to a bright effulgence presents a duality often encountered in myth. In Roman lore, for example, the Siva-like god of beginnings and endings, who was secondary only to Jupiter (Zeus), was the two-faced Janus Bifrons who also wore the broad-brimmed hat, the petasus. This Janus evolved into a solar deity and became associated

The Evolution of the Cosmogonic Egg [Aeon Journal]
... is accompanied by thunder and the shrieking wind. This is the "voice" of God. Somewhere above the sky a mighty **** reaches an orgasm that shakes the heaven...As saliva can be seen mixed with breath during forceful human speech, so the "speaking" of the divine **** is accompanied by a powerful blast of wind, the holy, creative spirit, bearing the "spittle" of semen. This "spittle" is the visible "speech" of God... (49) In fact the Egyptian Thoth, whom the theologians of Hermopolis accepted as "the true universal Demiurge," was believed to have "accomplished the work of creation by the sound of his voice alone." It was he, according to this particular theology, who was responsible for the hatching of the world-egg. (50) But since, as we have elsewhere seen, (51) the Word was synonymous with light-- and the sources really say nothing about the fructifying rain-- so must the Seed have been. The "mighty

Thanatos and Anastasis [Aeon Journal]
... by Set and the right to the throne of Egypt...Osiris was vindicated, and he was pronounced Ôjustified,' that is, Ôtrue,' or Ôrighteous of voice'" (Pyr. 316-318 ). (46) Once the verdict in favor of Osiris was delivered-- from that time forward the idea of truth was associated with [him and he became the god of truth, and of those who spoke the truth. Moreover, Osiris, having been declared true of word, or true of voice, by Thoth, went up into heaven, and reigned there as king. He also became judge of the dead [and had the power and the knowledge necessary for "weighing" [the words of men when they should be tried at the last judgment. (47) Though Jesus was ultimately crucified, Pilate could find no fault with him and "washed his hands of this innocent man's blood." Later, Jesus was even termed the "Sun of Righteousness." (48 ) Jesus and Osiris both came to preside over

Sothis and the Morning Star in the Pyramid Texts [Aeon Journal]
... the movements of the planet Venus. This view is almost certainly incorrect and has had a retarding influence upon a proper understanding of ancient Egyptian religious development. Also undermined by this new understanding of Sothis as Venus is the logic behind the identifications of other celestial bodies mentioned in the Pyramid Texts, including S3h and Horus as the Morning Star. Indeed, we would suggest a thorough reevaluation of all astral identifications in the most ancient Egyptian texts, including such apparently obvious celestial bodies as those typically assigned to Ra (the Sun), Thoth (the Moon), and the circumpolar stars. Until now the study of the most ancient texts has been governed by a uniformitarian approach to the ancient cosmos; namely, the belief that the currently most prominent celestial bodies must have been uppermost in the ancients' minds as well. The latter belief is demonstrably erroneous. A new approach to the ancient traditions is warranted, one free from preconceptions based upon the current arrangement of the solar system. The key to these researches, as always, must be the comparative method

Astral Kingship [Aeon Journal]
... Sed festival ceremony...served to neutralize the forces threatening peace" in the minds of the Egyptian populace who retained "the faint memory of past struggles" involving the unification of Egypt and feared a disintegration of that political stabilization and peace. (117) This purely sociological and earthbound interpretation of the Sed festival, on the part of Montet, falls flat, however. Furthermore, he may have misconstrued the significance of an Old Kingdom Egyptian text which referred to the divinities Horus, Set, Osiris Khenti-irty, Isis, Nephthys and Thoth as a single entity within the framework of the Sed festival. In one chapter of the Pyramid Texts, the same deities are invoked, reviled and most strongly urged to return to their place of origin and the king is forbidden to welcome them. (118 ) Montet found it "difficult to understand why [such popular gods should have been treated so harshly." If these deities were originally planetary gods then it is not at all difficult to understand why they were entreated to "return to their place of origin.

Velikovsky and the Problem of Planetary Identification [Aeon Journal]
... Jupiter. (2) The one exception, of course, was Athena, whom Velikovsky identified with the planet Venus, rather than with the Moon as per the majority of classical writers. Here we must concur with Velikovsky's judgment, although one can only shudder at the thought of what course Velikovsky's work might have taken had he retained the lunar identification of Athena. Extrapolating from the Greek sources, Velikovsky identified the ancient Egyptian gods with the planetary regents of their Greek counterparts. Ra, accordingly, was identified with the sun; Thoth with Mercury; Hathor with Venus; and Horus with Jupiter. (3) The same strategy was also employed with regard to the pantheons of Mesopotamia and India. That there are problems with Velikovsky's approach to the ancient sources has been shown by Cardona, Mewhinney, and others. (4) These writers have documented that Velikovsky's research occasionally suffered from his penchant for drawing far-reaching conclusions from a minimum of hard evidence. Cardona, for example, in his series "Child of Saturn," has expressed doubt about Velikovsky's thesis

From Myth to a Physical Model [Aeon Journal]
... the general tradition, the hero comes forth as the outflow of the heart, which is what the myths mean when they identify the hero as the externalized "will" or "desire" of the creator-king-- the Demiurge (c.f., the Greek Eros: in numerous sources one notes that the will or outflow of the creator's heart took form as the warrior hero). In the case of Egyptian symbolism the relationship can be confirmed in every major variant of the warrior hero, from Shu, to Horus, to Thoth. The heart from which the hero is born is the great goddess. Venus-Eye I believe it was O.G.S. Crawford who first drew scholars' attention to the widespread pictographs and symbolic images of what he called "the Eye Goddess." But the planet Venus he never mentioned, so he missed the key. It is incredible how frequently one encounters the identity of the planet Venus or Venus-goddess as eye or Great Eye. Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, the Americas, Polynesia-- it is everywhere. But no one

Morning Star* [Aeon Journal]
... point, Horus additionally received the epithet Heru-ahai, that is simply Horus the Pillar. (267) But because Mars, due to its eccentric orbit, was seen from Earth to periodically move down this pillar away from the encircling band, often visualized as an encircling wall, Horus was also lauded as "he who is south of [i.e., below the wall." (268 ) One last item I wish to mention, because we have to draw the line somewhere, is that in a somewhat late myth, Thoth decreed that Horus Behutet should thenceforth be called Light-giver. (269) I mention this because a near-identical name-- Light Bringer or Light Bearer, that is Lucifer-- was one of the Latin names for the Morning Star. THE DUAT When we saw Horus described as the god, or chief, of the Netherworld, the word translated as "Netherworld" by Mercer is "D3t," and/or "Dw3t," which I shall here simply render as "Dua" and "Duat."

The Crescent II [The Saturn Myth] [Books]
... enclosure." (25) Is there any direct statement that the enclosure depicted in the sign is the ship's pathway? The Egyptians called the band Aten or khu (" glory," "halo"): "Hail to you who sails in his Khu, who navigates a circle within his Aten," reads the Book of the Dead. (26) Clearly, the subject is the crescent-enclosure. In the Pyramid Texts, King Unas announces, "I revolve round heaven like Re, I sail round heaven like Thoth." While Re's image is the Aten, the common symbol of Thoth is the crescent-enclosure. Allowing the one image to explain the other, we see that Unas does not here engage in two separate acts, but in a single act depicted in two different ways: to revolve within the Aten is to sail in the crescent-ship of Thoth. (27) The circle of the Aten is the "brow" of Re, and it is on Re's brow that the texts locate the ship: "I fly up and

The Crescent [The Saturn Myth] [Books]
... . Of the black and white brothers the world knows no older example than the Egyptian pair Horus and Set. In fig. 67 the heads of Horus and Set appear upon one body, looking to the right and left. The black head of Set contrasts sharply with the light head of Horus, emphasizing the pair's role as "the two opponent gods." Closely related to Horus and Set are the twins Isis and Nephthys, often portrayed back to back (fig. 67). The Egyptian pairs Shu and Tefnut, Thoth and Maat, Sekhet and Neith all reveal a similar underlying character. In the Book of the Dead the pictograph of the two "portions" of Horus and Set is the sign, the band of the Aten. (21) The clear implication is that the sun-god's enclosure possesses two twin-like divisions, one light, the other dark. Moreover, if the circle of the Aten is half light, half dark, surely one cannot ignore the related sign, the crescent-enclosure, which appears to provide a literal illustration of the

The Great Father [The Saturn Myth] [Books]
... Ani is the hair of Nu. The face of Osiris Ani is the face of Re. The eyes of Osiris Ani are the eyes of Hathor. The ears of Osiris Ani are the ears of Ap-uat. The lips of Osiris Ani are the lips of Anpu... (24) In almost the same words, the Papyrus of Nu joins the divinities Osiris, Ptah, Anpu, Hathor, Horus, Isis, and others to the body of Re. (25) In the Memphite theology Atum, Horus, Thoth, and the company of gods became the limbs of Ptah. (26) Syncretization of this sort, though appearing absurd to us today, actually helped to preserve the original idea against the eroding forces of cultural assimilation. Faced with a growing number of competing deities, the priests proclaimed: there was only one great god in the beginning, whose body encompassed a circle of subordinate deities. In a subsequent development of the myth, the Heaven Man passed into a mythical-philosophical explanation of our Earth and the material universe as a

The Dawn of Astronomy: A Study of the Temple-Worship and Mythology of the Ancient Egyptians [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... Osiris (as a Mummy) 26 Plan of the Temple of Rameses II. in the Memnonia at Thebes 159 Osiris seated 27 Plan of Temples at Medînet-Habû 164 Various Forms of Bes-- as Warrior, Musician, and Buffoon 28 The Bent Axis of the Temple of Luxor 165 Khons-Lunus, Thoth-Lunus, the Goddess Sesheta 29 The Laying of the Foundation Stone Ceremonial 174 The Weighing of the Soul by Horus and Anubis, in Presence of Osiris 30 Plan of the Temples at Karnak, showing their Orientations to face p. 183 183 Thoth and Sesheta writing the Name of Rameses II. on the Fruit of the Persea 31 Plan of Denderah 192 Cleopatra as the Goddess Isis 32 Ruins of the Mamisi (Place of Birth) or Temple of Isis at Denderah 195 Isis (seated). 33 Ceremonial Procession in an Egyptian Temple 199 The Rising Sun Horus between Isis and Nephthys 34 Orientation of the Temple of Hathor at Denderah 202 The Goddess Nu-t 35 Capital, with Masks of Hathor with Cow's Ears 216 The Goddess Nu-t represented Double 36 The Cow of Isis 217 Various

Chapter III: the Astroxomical Basis of the Egyptiax Pantheon [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... suggests that the former was imported. In the form of Typhon the goddess Taurt is represented as a hippopotamus, while for Anubis the emblem is a jackal. In all illustrations of funeral ceremonies the above-mentioned figure largely. In the Book of the Dead we find that in the representations of the judgment of the dead, besides Osiris we have Anubis. both responsible for the weighing of the soul. With the moon we find two gods connected-- Thoth-lunus and Khons-lunus-- though the coimection is not a very obvious one. Thoth is also associated with the Egyptian year, and is variously represented, all forms, however, are based upon the ibis. For the stars generally we find a special goddess, Sesheta. Khons-Lunus Thoth-lumus The Godess Sesheta Thoth as the sacred scribe and Sesheta as the star-goddess are often represented together engaged in writing. Associated with the phenomena of morning and evening we find the following divinities. The attributes stated are those now generally accepted. This is a subject which will occupy us in the sequel. The Weighing of the Soul

Chapter XVII: the Building Inscriptions [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... temple of Hathor at Denderah. The Alignment of the Temple of Hathor at Dexderah The inscriptions state that the king while stretching the cord had his glance directed to the ak of the constellation of the Thigh-- the old name of the constellation which we now recognise as the Great Bear-- and on this line was built the new temple, "as had been done there before." The actual inscription has been translated as follows:-- "The living God, the magnificent son of Asti [a name of Thoth, nourished by the sublime goddess in the temple, the sovereign of the country, stretches the rope in joy. With his glance towards the ak [the middle? of the Bull's Thigh constellation, he establishes the temple-house of the mistress of Denderah, as took place there before." At another place the king says: "Looking to the sky at the course of the rising stars [and recognising the ak of the Bull's Thigh constellation, I establish the corners of the temple of Her Majesty." Here

Chapter XXII: Star-Cults (Continued) -- Amen-t and Khons [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... reference is different-- we have the generic name of the triad in one case, the specific name of the member of the triad in the other. As this is the first time a setting star has been in question, it is well to point out that in this case the ancient Egyptians no longer typified the star as a goddess but as a god-- and, more than this, as a dying god; for Khons is always represented as a mummy-- the Osiris form. Egyptologists state that both Thoth and Khons were moon-gods. Perhaps the lunar attributes were assigned prior to the establishment of sun-worship. I shall show, subsequently, that the temples now being considered find their place in continuous series stretching back in the case of Amen-t to 3750 B.C., and in the case of Khons to possibly long anterior date. In the case of Amen-t and Khons, therefore, where we are free from the difficulties connected with the interchange of the titles of Isis and Hathor at Denderah, the star-cults stand out much more clearly,

Chapter XXXVI: General Conclusions As to the North and South Races [Dawn of Astronomy (Book)]
... know it did, about 3700 B.C., for one beginning at the summer solstice. In the above list I have indicated Osiris as a Moon-god. Many inscriptions might be quoted similar to the following one:-- "Salute a te, Hesiri, il signore dell eternitá. Quando tu sei in Cielo, tu apparisci come sole, et tu rinnuovi la tua forma comme Luno." [2 It has also to be borne in mind that the complicated headdress, including the goat's horns, is represented in connection with Thoth Chnemu and Osiris. [3 Later he was unquestionably a sun-god, but this would be certain to happen if the southern intruders worshipped the moon in the first line. Further, if in later times he represented both sun and moon, as he certainly did, it is not probable that he did so from the beginning. All the special symbolism refers to him as a Moon-god; he is certainly a Moon-god in the myth of Iris and Osiris, for he was cut into fourteen pieces, the number of days of

As the Cross of the Cardinal Points [Migration of Symbols (Book)]
... (Plate II). But the cardinal points still retained their importance. The sky goddess Nut was depicted bending over the earth, usually, but not always, with her head to the west and her loins to the east; her arms and legs were the four pillars of the sky. Similarly the legs of the Celestial cow of Nut and Hathor represented the four quarters. The four Horuses of the horizon were guardians of the four' quarters, or Osiris or Horus presided over the south, Set over the north, Thoth over the west and Sapdi over the east. At an earlier period, as has been indicated, Osiris was the "first of the Westerners" and Re the god of the East. In the Pyramid Texts, 204-6, Set is King of the South and Horus King of the North. 9 Dr. S. Birch has translated an Egyptian "magical text", which refers to four mansions, each four stories high, situated at Abydos, and gives the explanation: There are four mansions of life. Osiris

The Genesis of Israel and Egypt [SIS C&C Review]
... of both Egypt and Mesopotamia. In summary then Abraham and Menes share at least three outstanding features. a. Both were credited with initiating civilised life and being cultural innovators. b. Both were believed to have introduced new forms of religious worship including, almost certainly, flesh sacrifice. c. Both were associated with circumcision and were linked to a phallic cult. A further consideration adds yet more weight to the argument. Abraham, as well as Menes, are clearly related, in terms of general character, to the god Thoth/Hermes. Amongst the Egyptians, Thoth was regarded as the patron of learning and it was believed he bequeathed civilisation to mankind. It was said that he invented language, writing and medicine. The Greeks regarded Thoth (whom they associated with their own Hermes) as one of the oldest gods. He had a frivolous and impetuous nature and, it was suggested, could be destructive. It was said he assisted the Three Fates in the invention of writing, astronomy, the musical scale, the arts of boxing and ...

Egyptian Chronology - The Multiple Name Factor [SIS C&C Workshop]
... of one nome differing sensibly from those of another.'[4. Changes in religious practices and emphasis among gods also almost certainly occurred over time. The Ptolemies are known as a matter of policy to have supported the Egyptian priesthoods and temples. Hence any given Ptolemaic king probably received different Egyptian titularies or 'names' in dedications or other inscriptions in the various temples or other structures which he built, repaired, or otherwise supported in different parts of Egypt. If a Ptolemy endowed a temple that was primarily devoted to the god Thoth would the priests of that temple describe the king as a son of Thoth or a son of Ra? If he also supported another temple whose priests considered Ra as supreme, would these priests call him the son of Ra or the son of Thoth? Furthermore, if these names were basically religious and symbolic in nature, should we be surprised that the same names or minor variants of them were used in the inscriptions of many different Ptolemaic rulers who provided upkeep or financed additions to the same temples? All male Ptolemaic rulers

Shoshenq I and the Traditions of New Kingdom Kingship in Egypt [SIS C&C Review]
... Memphis, Shedsunefertem, was previously identified wrongly as an embalming table dedicated under Shoshenq I for the Apis Bull [3; however, like other fragments of his works, this was ultimately, after several phases of reuse, buried in the foundations of a later structure. At el-Hiba, between Beni Suef and el-Minya, Shoshenq I constructed a temple against the west side of the great mudbrick fortress built over a century earlier by the Theban High Priests Pinudjem and Menkheperre. This temple is dedicated to local aspects of Amun, Sekhmet and Thoth and the scenes and inscriptions were completed by Shoshenq I's successor, Osorkon I. This monument was built of an inferior quality limestone, probably quarried locally, and the walls have been eroded severely by the effects of dampness. It is nevertheless a rare example of an original building of this period. None of the monuments mentioned above is precisely dated within Shoshenq I's reign. At Karnak, however, where the grandest and best preserved of his building projects is to be found, we know that the work was not begun until

Velikovsky's "The Tomb of Ahiram" [SIS C&C Review]
... the left-hand side.- These gangs of workmen are very well documented, and the census lists which were taken at the beginning and end of each shift are very well documented as well. That is one source of information for the length of the year. Q: What happened to the other five days? Jones: They were festival days. At Deir el-Medineh there were five festival days for the five main gods they worshipped: Pharaoh Mentuhotep II, Pharaoh Amenhotep I, the god Bes, the goddess Hathor and the god Thoth. The other source of information on the length of the year is the ushabti figures, which are workman substitutes buried along with the funerary equipment of a good Egyptian burial. A set of these ushabti figures always comprises 360 figures plus a number of overseer figures, which provides one worker for each day of the year, or a gang of 10 for each of the 36 "weeks": this is another indication of the number of days in the year. Actual textual information is very difficult to assess, because we

Exodus [SIS C&C Review]
... refers to the slaughtering of the FIRST BORN (eldest) sons of Whose Name is Hidden. This was the pseudonym of the dragon Apepi [11, the great comet of myth. The eldest was also known as the First Born God, the epithet of Horus, son of Osiris. In hymn 393 of the Pyramid Texts the sky is overcast, the stars are darkened, the celestial expanses shake (or explode) and the bones of the earth tremble... etc. Warshawky made a connection between the Judgement of Thoth and Moses receiving the Law on Mount Sinai and went on to suggest that the punishment of Seth, the Bull, being ridden by Osiris, is the same story as Balaam riding a donkey [12. As a result, Warshawky claimed the Pyramid Texts must have been written after the Exodus- either the Exodus preceded the Old Kingdom or the Texts were written after the end of the Middle Kingdom. The Exodus story has as its background a human migration from one land to another, involving what became known as Palestine.

Edfu Books (Advert) [SIS C&C Review]
... and that the Israelites were paid a large tribute by Ahmose I to leave Egypt- which they used to fabricate the Tabernacle and the Ark of the Covenant. A further revelation, that springs directly from this quotation, is that the biblical Mt Sinai is most probably the Great Pyramid of Giza. If this were the case, then the circling of the 'mountains' around Sinai was in fact a ceremonial circumnavigation of Giza- a ritual that is preserved to this day by the circling of the Ka'ba in Mecca. By Ralph Ellis Thoth, Architect of the Universe Takes a radical look at the henges of Britain and the pyramids of Giza, and concludes that they were both designed to represent maps of the Earth- and each of these ancient maps comes complete with outlines of continents and lines of latitude correctly marked. The diagrams that demonstrate this are simple copies of these great monuments, but viewed from an unusual perspective. K2, Quest of the Gods Taking this idea one step further, K2 QotG identifies the precise location on the surface of the Earth that

The Exodus in the Pyramid Texts? [SIS C&C Workshop]
... the Hymn is a description of the killing of Horus the Child by Seth, and also a description of the plague of the "killing of the first born". The killing of the first born in heaven "caused" the plague on earth to be called as such. Velikovsky took great pains to rewrite bechor as bekhor, "first born" as ''chosen''.(11) I think the word may derive from the Egyptian b'ik hor (the Greek Harpocrates) and have both meanings. The "judgement of Thoth" the Hebrews saw as the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai, the punishment of Seth being ridden by Osiris as the story of Balaam and his donkey. The planet involved seems to be Venus. If I am correct, then the Hymn was written after the Exodus and this would imply that also most of the Pyramid Texts were written after the Exodus. Therefore, either the Exodus must be moved back to the Old Kingdom or the Pyramid Texts must have been written after the Middle Kingdom. The alternative that the

Alan Alford's The Phoenix Solution [SIS Internet Digest]
... Sirius symbols of the exploded planet? Did Orion mark the gateway to the heavenly Duat and the 'body of Nut'? The Nine Bows and the Shemsu-Hor as planets of the original solar system. Part Three: New Horizons. 10: THE METAPHYSICAL PYRAMID: The Double-Lion god in the Egyptian Duat, the etymology of Ta-Meri- ancient land of creation, rebirth and ascension. The two horizons or 'mountains' of the Duat. A new theory on the satellite pyramids- did they literally represent planetary satellites? The cosmic identity of Thoth, and why he was called Hermes Trismegistus? Why Egyptian sarcophagi were designed to be empty. 11: SECRETS OF ABYDOS AND GIZA: Two exploded planets in Egyptian and Mesopotamian mythology. How numerical symbolism was used to represent planetary gods in ancient Egypt. 12: KHUFU- SON OF A SATANIC GOD: A reappraisal of the Egyptian 4th Dynasty. Decoding the symbolic meaning of Sneferu's two giant pyramids at Dahshur. Evidence for Khufu being an evil tyrant and literally a 'satanic' king. Was Khufu imprisoned inside the Great Pyramid

A Critical Re-appraisal of the Book of Genesis, Part Two [SIS C&C Workshop]
... p.169. 46. Ibid., p.170. 47. Note: Before the Babel incident of Genesis chapter 11, Scripture informs us: "Now the whole earth had one language and few words" (11:1). 48. The Babylonians have a legend of a god-like being, Oannes, whom they believed to have been the original instructor of mankind. An old Babylonian account says that "for six days he instructed Alorus." The place occupied by Oannes in Babylonian stories is, in Egyptian tradition taken by Thoth. The Egyptian maintained that it was Thoth, "the lord of wisdom," who taught mankind to write. 49. Ginzberg, op. cit., p.195. 50. Wiseman, op. cit. [45, p.66. Occasional Publications Series A list of the titles complete with prices is now being prepared. Members seeking further information should contact Derek Shelley-Pearce at the address given on page 1. \cdrom\pubs\journals\workshop\w1987no2\03book.htm

Letters [SIS C&C Workshop]
... . From there, via Indonesia and Papua New Guinea, it is only a matter of island hopping to Queensland. b. In the early 1960s, British Museum scientists (no referenec given) discovered that, from about 1,000BC onwards, eucalyptus resin was employed in the embalming of the dead, among other uses. As such a commodity could only have been obtained in those times from New Guinea or Australia, did Egyptians make regular expeditions that far afield? c. The Gympie 'Ape Man' bears a resemblance to Thoth, depicted as a squatting ape prior to 1,000BC. Mr Gilmour claims to see a symbol, between the squatting legs of the 'Ape Man', identical to the Egyptian hieroglyph for a papyrus flower, Thoth's symbol as the god of writing. If I have not strained credulity too far already, may I now direct the reader's attention to an article in Nexus magazine (PO Box 30, Mapleton, Queensland 4560), April/May 1994, by Paul White? In it, he claims to have been

It's Time to Get Serious About Manetho [SIS C&C Review]
... same gentleman known by modern historians as Ramesses III? What if modern scholarship misread Manetho from the very outset? Manetho Revisited The work of the Manetho must be part of the basic toolkit for any budding Egyptologist, yet modern textbooks appear disturbingly light on information. According to a 1902 publication, 'This distinguished man was born at Sebennytus, the Thebneteret of the hieroglyphic inscriptions, and he flourished in the reigns of Ptolemy Lagus and Ptolemy Philadelphus; his name seems to be the Greek form of the Egyptian Ma'en-Tehuti, i.e. 'gift of Thoth'... He is described as a 'high priest and scribe', and bore a reputation for great learning, and he was undoubtedly admirably fitted to draw up, in Greek, the history of Egypt... He divided the kings of Egypt into thirty dynasties... Now the principal versions of the King List of Manetho are four in number, and they are found in the famous 'Chronography', which was drawn up about the end of the VIIIth century of our era by George the Monk,

Pharaoh Seti the Great and His Foreign Connections [Kronos]
... that the Greek predilection for geometric explanations of nature, their use of the "Golden Section" in pottery, sculpture, and temple alike, and even the dualism between "sensible and intelligible worlds"-- nearly definitive of Plato's system-- are as much stamped with the seals of ancient Egypt as were the doors of Egyptian tombs. All of this still leaves unaddressed the revised chronology. In this case, there are two significant pieces of Greek evidence: The Greek emphasis upon Hermes, identical in all respects to Egypt's Thoth, and the cosmological Timaeus of Plato, which contains definitive related passages to the Egyptian Book of Gates and to the theology of Heliopolis. Specialists in Egyptology know that the Book of Gates is peculiar in literary history. Thus we are not merely indicating some generic Egyptian characteristic, such as reverence for Osiris. On the Egyptian side, two matching pieces of evidence emerge: The Book of Gates inscribed on Seti's alabaster sarcophagus and also, with very minor variations, in his cenotaph at Abydos. There is also the curious story

Pharaoh Seti the (Great and His Foreign Connections - II [Kronos]
... and Neugebauer, in his Egyptian Astronomical Texts, I, try to make sense of the thing, but there is much to be said for the notion that it is not even a clock for any ordinary purpose. Neugebauer's account is worth further discussion in a later part of this series. (6) Finally, on the West side of the roof, one will find the "Dramatic Texts", usually supposed to deal with the "mysteries" involved in the relations between the principal gods of the Egyptians. Horus, Thoth, Isis, Osiris, Set, Nephthys, Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, and Nut figure strongly in these mysteries; there is a family history to unravel, and Pharaoh's relation to it or identity with it. LIVING DESCENDENTS OF SETI'S CENOTAPH The present Dalai Lama of Tibet- the Fourteenth- is, for Tibetan Buddhists, an incarnation of Chenrezi- a timeless spirit, some of whose bodies are entombed in the Potala at Lhasa. Many Occidentals may find this belief quaint and absurd. Buddhists acquainted with the

"Let There be Light" [Kronos]
... " Why would it be said that the Sun was as resplendent as the Sun? But why, then, did the ancients themselves confuse Saturn with the Sun?-- for there is no doubt that the later Egyptians, who passed the fallacy on to the Greeks, looked upon Ra as the embodiment of the solar energy. The answer to this riddle, as to many others of similar kind, is best illustrated by the story of Thamus, a mythological king of Egypt, who, with the following words, reproached Thoth for having invented writing:" 'Most ingenious Theuth [Thoth... one man has the ability to beget arts but the ability to judge of their usefulness or harmfulness... belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in

Mercury [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... Sinai refers to Sin, the Moon, so the name of Mount Nebo in Moab where Moses died (2) was called already in that early time by the name of the planet Mercury. Later in the seventh and sixth centuries before the present era, this god was much venerated, especially by the Chaldeans and other peoples of Mesopotamia, as the names of Nabopolassar and his son Nebuchadnezzar prove. (3) In earlier times Mercury was known to the Sumerians as Enki. (4) Equally pronounced was the position of Thoth, the planet Mercury of the Egyptian pantheon, the theophoric part of the name Thutmose. (5) For the northern peoples, Mercury was Odin. (6) It is characteristic that in many astronomical texts Mercury, the Greek Hermes, the Babylonian Nebo, the Egyptian Thoth, is portrayed as the planet-god which had in his dominion the physiological capacity of memory in man, (7) as well as that of speech. According to Augustine, ? speech is Mercury.? (8 ) Direct information that confirms

Deification of the Planets [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... the Moon, but prima facie with the planets. Marduk, the great god of the Babylonians, was the planet Jupiter; so was Amon of the Egyptians, Zeus of the Greeks and Jupiter of the Romans. (1) It was much superior to Shamash-Helios, the Sun. Why was it revered by all peoples? Why was the planet Mars chosen to be the personification of the god of war? Why did Kronos of the Greeks, Saturn of the Romans, play a part in hundreds of myths and legends? Thoth of the Egyptians, Nebo and Nergal of the Babylonians, Mithra and Mazda of the Persians, Vishnu and Shiva of the Hindus, Huitzilopochtli and Quetzalcoatl of the Mexicans, were personifications of planets; innumerable hymns were dedicated to them and adventures and exploits ascribed to them. ? The life of our planet has its real source in the Sun,? wrote E. Renan. ? All force is a transformation of the Sun. Before religion had gone so far as to proclaim that God must be placed in the absolute and

'KA', AND EGYPTIAN MAGIC [Quantavolution Website]
... soldiers with weapons pointing the wrong way, cut bowstrings and so on, together with magic words and instructions for use. There is also a story of a wax model of a crocodile being thrown into a river, turning into a real one, and seizing a man. Magical rites and incantations were used to install souls in animals, to cure illnesses, to provide a home for the dead person by preserving the khat, or physical body, and to raise the dead. The means for achieving all this is the god Thoth. He is referred to as the god who made Osiris victorious, just as the Greek Hermes is referred to as the slayer of the monster Argos. (Horus is called the Lord of the Divine Staff whereby all the gods have been made victorious, and Hermes Trismegistos, Thrice Great Hermes, is a name of Thoth). He was the "son of Aner, coming forth from the two Aners?" Egyptian aner is a stone. (Budge). The ibis is a bird renowned for its skill in

... skies. Again Seth is taking the onus for Horus' action, while Zeus is doing his own job. The next phase, perhaps upon the occasion of the destruction of planet "Apollo" and the major displacement of Mercury, sees, in Egypt, Seth and Horus battling, and in Greece, a revolt of the giants against the Olympians led by Zeus. This set of events, then, would occur over a thousand years later than the death of Osiris and would mark the appearance of Mercury, Hermes, or Thoth as a new great god-- that is, a god who is threatening the Earth with destruction. The last battle against Typhon will be described below on the occasion of the Venusian catastrophes. There Seth is Typhon. THE BONDS OF SATURN AND JUPITER The primeval clouds that had gathered around the pulsing electric axis between Sun and Super-Uranus had furnished atmosphere to the magnetic tube in which the planets grew and moved. The flow and the magnetic field diminished, but the skies were not fully open until Jovean times. Remnant gases

... ; the Jewish legend says that it was a temporary moratorium on births for all people. Even birth control policies in America have been declared forms of infanticide and genocide by religious and racial minority leaders and writers. Egypt was a heavily regulated, bureaucratic state. There is something to be made of Moses' name. It is clearly Egyptian, meaning "child" or "son" [8 and lacks the surname or prefix as, for example, in the pharaoh's name, Thoth-Moses, or "Child of the God, Thoth" (Mercury, Hermes). A variant theory says Moses means the "born one" in Egyptian, which is only a clumsy version of "child." Buber says: "That Moses bears an Egyptian name, no matter whether it means 'born, child (of somebody)' or something like 'seed of the pond, of the water,' is part of the historical character of the situation; he seems to derive from a largely Egyptianized section of the people." [9 Some say the Hebrew

... the other great cats. Wine was thought to be the blood of those who had perished in battles in the sky. Radiation was attributed to the five planets visible to the naked eye, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The eye was thought to be a source of radiation. Axe, hoe, spear and arrow were symbols of lightning and radiation. Seven is an important number, being five plus the sun and moon. The Cretan goddess is concerned, like Artemis, with both animals and radiation. Thoth, the Egyptian god of electricity who was equated with the Greek Hermes and the Roman Mercury, was active in the sky. He restarted Ra's boat when it had stopped. This Egyptian story is in harmony with accounts from elsewhere, such as the record of phenomena at the battle of Beth Horon after the Exodus, during the invasion of Palestine by the Hebrews under Joshua [Joshua X: 13. The tholos tomb, a burial chamber approached by a passage, the dromos, may be an imitation of the column rising

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 19: LIFE [Quantavolution Website]
... reversal of the Mycenean dipas, cup, or heaven. Hittite tipas is a cup, and also means 'heaven'. The Latin lanx, lanc-, dish, may be El, the one above, and ankh, life. FIVES Greek pimpremi, burn, may have a connection with the five planets that were held to radiate divine force. The Cumbrian and Welsh, i. e. Gallic, word pimp, used by shepherds counting sheep, means five. The draughts board was said to have been invented by Thoth. Alexander the Great also claimed to be the inventor. Greek pessos is a 'man' at draughts. Etruscan pes is five. The squares on the board may represent areas of the sky, and the Egyptians called the 'men' dancers. At Carthage there was an important body of five magistrates called the pentarchy. At Rome the term quinqueviratus meant a body of five officials. CAULDRONS The phenomenon described by Jeremiah as a seething pot facing the north may have had some influence on the design of ancient pottery as well as

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 22: SACRED BIRDS [Quantavolution Website]
... associated with Horus. The object appearing in Egyptian art and hieroglyphics and called the utchat, or udjat, was the eye of Horus or of Ra. The osprey, a bird of prey like the eagle, was in Latin sanqualis. As with the eagle, the Romans watched its flight. The name may incorporate sankh; the radiation of the god was thought to give life. The buteo, falcon, was watched for its flight. The ibis, which had great skill in killing snakes, was associated with the god Thoth, who was equated with the Greek Hermes and was the Egyptian electrical god par excellence. Latin ardea is a heron. It was noted for the long crest on its head. Of the two elements of the word, ar is clearly the fire. Dea is rather less obvious, but Hebrew dea, knowledge, is an attractive possibility. Ardea was the name of an Etruscan city near Rome, capital of the Rutuli. The peacock was sacred to Juno. Its Latin name was pavo. Perhaps the pattern on its

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 24: THE NORTH [Quantavolution Website]
... is light. Hungarian kivilagit means to illuminate. The Illyrians may even have been the people of the great light, since the root ur means great. Perhaps Yggdrasil is the steed [means of travel, of the light of the frightener, or the light of the frightener's steed. The name of the actual horse of Odin was Sleipnir. In Greek myth, the father of Eros, love, was Poros, the passage to the sky. This suggests a link with Dionysus and Hermes. Hermes was the Greek equivalent of Thoth, and Dionysus was one of the deities who controlled the thunderbolt. The Greeks were aware of the connection between a deity of the thunderbolt and sexual passion. Tall trees such as the pine [Greek elate, the sycamore and the cypress may be associated with the poros. Greek hule means wood [as a material. If reversed, hule becomes eluh, the final h being pronounced more like ch, as in the Scottish word loch. Egyptian ucha is a pillar. Hule, wood, is probably the tree of

... bits of the residue of a large planet, long ago exploded [103. The time of the "asteroidal explosion" is recent (Van Flandern) even under long-time reckoning; it is very recent if placed in the context of Greek legend. In this context, several events coincide and relate to the larger theory of Solaria Binaria. Apollo has a younger brother, mischievous Hermes (Mercury), who is a swift, winged messenger of Zeus (Jupiter) and the gods, who is connected with electricity (especially as Thoth, in Egypt), the creator of illusions (mental problems), and is god of thieves, travelers, and healing. He, too, becomes a great god, known to many- East Indians, Mexicans, Teutons, and others. Though Yahweh reflects Jupiter, he also has qualities of Thoth; Moses was probably a devotee of Thoth, and acts towards Yahweh as Hermes towards Zeus (de Grazia, 1983a). Astronomically, Mercury would have been next to Apollo, would have acquired atmosphere and debris

... No rulers would ever conduct any kind of discussions in which plagues were the topic, without watching the sky; they were talking of gods and the gods had one true home and one main realm- the sky. This had been true since the days of creation, thousands of years before, by ancient reckoning in many cultures. The Pharaoh did not dispute the existence of Yahweh, indeed he reasoned and behaved as a typical sceptical and sophisticated ruler: "Maybe their god, which is not unlike our gods, Amen, Thoth, and Horus, has gotten something going for them." His obduracy, of which the Bible makes much, is to a certain degree rational and prompted by his knowing full well that the Hebrew complaint was almost entirely political and economic. It was Moses' scientific renown, coupled with the increasingly terrible natural manifestations, that prompted the Pharaoh to conduct the negotiations on Moses' religious grounds. He wanted any information (and so did his advisers) that would help cope with the deteriorating general situation caused by a raging

GODS FIRE: [Quantavolution Website]
... himself to his people and, it is important to stress, to their enemies. The limitations of space on the kapporeth or coverpiece of the Ark define in part the sculpture. Unlike the winged lions and bulls, griffins and other animals fashioned as cherubim in Assyria and elsewhere, the Ark's cherubim were probably two-footed with unisexual human features [25. A later Assyrian assemblage (Figure 11) is similar. So are two figures from Egypt, showing two winged goddesses hovering protectively over idols of Osiris, in one case, and Thoth in the other [26. The cherubim could not be seated or squatting, because they were facing Yahweh, but would stand with faces elevated, says the legend [27. Figure 12 may convey some notion of their appearance, in accord with legend and with the Bible. It may be seen that their wings would be spread wide as a covering of the box so that, in effect, two platform levels would be created, one on the ample but separated pair of wings and again on the lid of the

LIVING WITH ELECTRICITY [Quantavolution Website]
... goose, Greek 'chen', was known to the Egyptians as 'chenchenur', the great cackler. At Rome, geese were sacred to Juno; they gave warning of the Gauls' night attack on the Capitol. In the 1939 -1945 war, pheasants in country districts of England gave reliable early warning of the approach of German aircraft. We have already met the hoopoe with its erectile crest. The ibis was a symbol to the Egyptians of the electrical god, because of its skill at killing snakes, and to the ibis Thoth owes the shape of his head. Thoth armed the gods for their victory over Set. The ichneumon, or mongoose, was sacred to the Egyptians because of a similar skill, that of finding crocodile eggs, and the mongoose is known for its ability to catch snakes. The jackal is sab in Egyptian. I suggest that this may be related to the Latin 'sapere', to be wise. Anubis was the jackal-headed god. Ambitious politicians and military men copied the priestly practice of dressing up in the skins of animals

... and cites all of his sources. It is not so easy to explain the parallels between Velikovsky and Beaumont. Velikovsky never mentioned or cited Beaumont. Could Velikovsky have read and forgotten Beaumont's books? His method of proof is entirely different; practically everything-- style, format, language, method, and evidence-- is different; only the conclusions are the same. And I should stress that when Deg came into possession of the Beaumont materials, he found them mostly unusable for methodological and theoretical reasons; Beaumont's stress upon Thoth, however, helped convince Deg that a catastrophic age ought to be assigned to the god Hermes and the Planet Mercury. Moreover, with regard to both Velikovsky and de Grazia, too many of Beaumont's conclusions are the same as theirs to explain them as sheer coincidence. I guess that either in the 1920's or 1930's when V. was in Palestine, the books, published in England and dealing with matters of interest to the Near East, made an appearance in the bookstores and were seen by V. A second possibility

GODS FIRE: [Quantavolution Website]
... , as many surmised. It denotes a young ox, an ox in the full vigour of its youth." [30 The only reason I can offer for this modification of the universal cow-bull theme is that the Israelites knew that the comet was a young body in the sky. It had not been known to them for long. The bison and bull, always with a divine celestial connection, had been worshipped and were sacred since time immemorial [31. Zeus, the thunderbolter, assumed the image of the bull. Thoth (or Hermes or Mercury) took the image of a ram, afterwards. Figure 7. Moses' Tablets and Golden Calf Heretics. La Somme le Roy, ca. A. D. 1295 British museum Add. MS 54180, folio 5v) Zeus, it will be recalled, had fathered and mothered Athene who was the Greek planet Venus. The new heavenly body, the Messiah, would take the form of a calf. The Venus connection is obvious, with Baal, then, being Venus. And for

A FIRE NOT BLOWN: CHAPTER 27: GLOSSARY [Quantavolution Website]
... only thing that depended on the gods. Much depended in the mind of the ancients on the arrival or departure, presence or absence, of objects in the sky, especially new arrivals. Much depended, too, on the power of heroes who had divine ancestry, on divine inspiration and on radiation. libation As well as the Malatya relief which shows a god holding his thunderbolt over the cup at a libation ceremony, there is a reference to libation in the Book of the Dead which is amenable to an electrical interpretation: Thoth dwells within his hidden places and performs the ceremonies of libation unto the god who reckoneth millions of years, and he maketh a way through the firmament." [Budge's translation, p. 392 magh Hebrew for a Persian priest. Cf. Latin magnus, great. The Sibyl became maior videri, bigger in appearance, as the god Apollo inspired her. manna Egyptian bener, sweet, may be related to the Latin Venus, Vener-. mouse Greek mus, sminthos. Smintheus was one of the epithets of Apollo

Updates / Mathis on Velikovsky +
« on: December 16, 2018, 06:51:11 pm »
Paraphrasing + Comments on Miles' recent paper, Beyond Velikovsky, at (Vel. means Velikovsky.)

_MM -- Vel. is from prominent Jewish families who faked all recent history, their modus operandi being to tell only as much truth as a project will bear, so where the truth ends, misdirection begins.

_MM -- The intent of Worlds in Collision is "eyes-off", which is to give a partial reading of data to prevent a fuller reading, like Robin Gardiner's Titanic project, which misdirected attention from Lloyd's of London, Astor et al, and the Titanic never sank at all. (LK -- Did the Olympic sink in its place?)

_MM -- Vel. claims Venus was ejected from Jupiter, then appeared as a comet and came close to Earth before settling into its present orbit. (LK -- And he said Venus is hot because it's a new planet.)

_MM -- The mainstream doesn't admit that Venus must have recently experienced a catastrophe; Venus and its spin are very round, so there was no collision, but maybe a close pass with Earth or another body.

_MM -- Vel. admits all planets have excess heat, but he gives the wrong reason; it's because Venus' poles and/or spin are reversed, causing a magnetic effect that spins incoming photons up in polar through-charge, causing more heat, and Venus' spin will reverse and go in the same direction as other planets, but it takes a long time for the Sun's charge field to reverse the spin of such a large planet.

_MM -- Vel. is wrong about Venus nearly colliding with Earth, because Earth did not heat up significantly, but only suffered darkness and other minor changes, and he's wrong about Venus' heat coming from recent formation and the mainstream is wrong about the greenhouse effect, because as Vel. said, thick Venusian clouds would block solar heat, causing cooling, not heating, and Venus reflects most of the light it receives, which also prevents heating.

_MM -- In reality Venus' heat comes up from below via the charge field. (LK -- But the charge field comes from the Sun, doesn't it, which means it comes from above, not below? If Venus were newly formed, as Vel. said, its heat would come up from below. It seems more likely that Venus was heated some other way. Maybe the flipping of its axis heated it at least partly. Talbott and Cardona thought Venus, Mars and Earth were formerly satellites of Saturn, that Saturn was a brown dwarf star that flared as a nova, and Venus was closest to Saturn, so the nova may have heated Venus too.)

_MM -- The mainstream avoids seriuosly discussing why Venus' data is so unusual; evidence indicates Venus has flipped its axis recently, but Miles can't yet calculate how recently. (LK -- Catastrophists have discussed this and have shown that the present rate of heat loss on Venus indicates that it should cool to normal levels within a few centuries or millennia.)

_MM -- It's unlikely that, as per Vel., Venus was ejected from Jupiter as a comet. (LK -- I think Vel. thought Jupiter's Great Red Spot could have been the birthplace of Venus. John Ackerman still thinks so. I think that's unlikely, but I recently noticed this article: An exoplanet loses its atmosphere in the form of a tail . So, even if Venus wasn't ejected from Jupiter as a new planet, it seems entirely plausible that it could have looked like a comet, if it lost some of its atmosphere in the form of a tail. Mythology around the world says Venus was a comet, which is where Vel. got the idea. And it's likely that Earth lost much of its atmosphere recently too, because large land animals needed the extra buoyancy in order to move under the present gravity conditions. And dinosaur bones have been C14 dated to only tens of thousands of years, not millions.)

_MM -- It's also unlikely that Venus was ejected as a moon from the Jupiter or Saturn systems (LK -- or others), because the present moons of those systems would still be in turmoil. (LK -- That depends on how long it takes orbits to normalize. Iapetus has a 2 million mile radius orbit around Saturn inclined at nearly 16 degrees from Saturn's equatorial plane. Dust, gases and ions earlier in the systems may have caused the circularization of orbits much quicker than without that debris. The same applies to Venus' orbit circularization.)

_MM -- Bode's law corrected explains that smaller planets should orbit nearer than large ones, thus Saturn (LK -- etc) tends to move below Jupiter's orbit (LK -- and Mars below Earth's).

_MM -- The asteroid belt was likely caused by close planetary encounters in that way, and a similar recent encounter likely involved Venus moving from a farther orbit past Earth to its present orbit and flipping on its axis while passing.

_MM -- Mars was probably involved in the asteroid belt event, as it's close to the belt, and there's plenty of room above Earth's orbit for Venus to have come from there, and Mars appears to be moving toward the gap that Venus left.

_MM -- The moon of Mars is getting closer to it because Mars is moving inward, while Earth's Moon is moving farther from Earth because Earth is moving outward and Earth's period was likely shorter. (LK -- Some ancient records say it was 360 days.)

_MM -- Venus and Earth did not dance together in Biblical times, but they may have much earlier. (LK -- Talbott and Cardona independently concluded that indeed the encounter between Earth and Venus was at least a thousand years earlier than Vel. thought and was not mentioned in the Biblical record. I think they expressed perplexity as to how Vel. concluded that Venus was involved in the plagues of the Exodus event.)

_MM -- The Moon may have previously orbited Venus, or it may have been on the far side of Earth as Venus passed etc. (LK -- Some ancient records seem to say Earth initially had no Moon.)

_MM -- Vel. was likely misdirecting readers away from evidence of the photonic charge field. (LK -- I don't know if the ruling class's experts knew about the charge field then, in 1950. Vel. and his successors, Thunderbolts, have favored electrical forces as having major effects. I'm not sure yet that Vel. was trying to misdirect. It's possible, but I need better evidence. I know some of the Thunderbolts people and it seems they just haven't been able to follow Miles' explanations well enough. Some of their forum members like many of Miles' ideas, including me, and we discuss them there sometimes. But I'm open-minded on whether there has been intentional misdirection.)

_MM -- Thunderbolts is claiming that there are no photons. (LK -- I haven't heard that. I'd say most of them consider photons as massless. If they've said there are no photons, I'd like to see where they say that. On this page they say: "Electric fields are detectable in two ways:  when they accelerate electrons, which emit observable photons as synchrotron and Bremsstrahlung radiation, and by accelerating charged particles as electric currents which are accompanied by magnetic fields, detected through Faraday rotation of polarized light." So I think Miles needs to correct the statement.)

_MM -- The governors wanted to keep the charge field secret, except for a few military scientists. (LK -- That would be more plausible if there's evidence that military scientists have done anything that would likely have only been possible if they knew about the charge field.)

_MM -- Vel. followed the pattern of Ignaeius Donnelly who also divulged a lot of good data, but then blackwashing it. (LK -- I'm interested in what data was blackwashed.)

_MM -- By burying the data from both of them, the governors squelched discussion and research. (LK -- That's very plausible, that they intended to make anyone who discussed such subjects pariahs. However, they could have done that even if Vel. and Donnelly were not controlled opposition.)

_MM -- To keep control of science, they had to keep everyone in the gravity-only, math-based, relativity/QED fog; if the average scientist understood the charge field, a real revolution would have been quick.

_MM -- Vel. was wrong on specifics, but right in general, e.g. (LK -- cataclysmic) events weren't caused by Venus, since it passed Earth earlier, but they may have been caused by comets, asteroids and meteors, even according to his evidence.

_MM -- Vel's theory that Venus and later Mars caused the cataclysms is fanciful and unnecessarily complicated. (LK -- Thunderbolts tries to interpret the mythological records accurately and they do seem to indicate that Venus and Mars were inner moons of Saturn, which eventually destabilized and the pair caused some havoc in the inner solar system, not necessarily directly on Earth.)

_MM -- Vel. was paid to blackwash the truth, i.e. the charge field, ancient texts, amateur scientists and the public. (LK -- Maybe, but the evidence seems slim, and it seems that Vel. believed in what he found, and I don't know of evidence that anyone else guided or controlled him. He claimed that he made his discovery about Venus etc in 1939, I think, when he had the theory that Moses, not Akhenaten, was the original monotheist.)

_MM -- Before WW2 the public had considerable knowledge of science, but less and less thereafter.

_MM -- The Vel. affair pre-blackwashed Miles' findings with help from Thunderbolts. (LK -- Miles said almost nothing is said about Thunderbolts this time. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the moneyed supporters of Thunderbolts are working for the governors, but I'd be very surprised if Talbott, Thornhill, Scott, Cochrane, Cardona, van der Sluijs and others are working for them.)

_MM -- The governors weren't prepared for someone like Miles, because his methods are unprecedented and he has taken advantage of their own tools, like the internet. (LK -- I'd like to know how Miles was educated. There's an organization called the Institutes for the Advancement of Human Potential, which found that almost all kids have genius potential, and they've been trying to help parents learn how to help their kids develop that potential. So I think genius would be common if society would learn how to develop it, like IAHP teaches.)

SOURCES + OUTLINE / Ancient Global Cataclysm
« on: September 08, 2018, 10:38:52 pm »
(Comment on High-level Timeline of Younger Dryas Impact AND Flood of Noah at )

It's nice that you follow Randall Carlson somewhat. He has a good video about Halloween, where he shows that the Taurid meteor stream used to have large objects in it that collided with Earth almost every year around November 1. The source of the impacts was in the direction of the Pleiades, which is in the constellation Taurus.

Ancient Architects is a Youtube channel that covers a lot of ancient events. It shows that Gobekli Tepi likely was a place of refuge after the Younger Dryas event, according to the translation of some of the symbology there. It shows that the Egyptian pyramids were originally only a few layers high and were used for irrigating the land for farming as north Africa was drying out after the impact events. It shows advanced civilization likely existed long before Egypt. Here's the channel:

An excellent website is which shows that continental drift occurred in a short time period after a huge impact off of east Africa. It includes a page that shows that dinosaur fossils have been C14 dated to between 20 and 30 thousand years ago. Another site or video shows that coal is similarly C14 dated to mere thousands of years instead of millions.

There's a good recent video, called Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (from Pangea to Today), at which shows that megatsunamis caused the Great Flood. It says it was due to rapid continental drift pulses, but NewGeology shows better that the continental drift was due to an impact. But this video does a good job explaining that these megatsunamis laid down almost all of the sedimentary rock on Earth, which mostly make up the continents. It discusses a herd of adult dinosaurs that were killed all at once in North America by the flood. They were apparently running away from tidal waves and the young ones couldn't keep up, but the waves caught up with the adults too and entombed them all.

John Baumgardner has an excellent paper called Noah’s Flood: The Key to Correct Interpretation of Earth History at . His team explains that asteroid impacts caused the megatsunamis that caused the Great Flood.

I have a thread on Ancient Global Cataclysm on the Thunderbolts forum. Here's the latest post which includes a link to your video: . You all may like to read through the entire thread, which started a couple years ago.

LK2 Fossils & Dating / Gobekli Tepe
« on: April 27, 2018, 09:25:59 pm »
... Many animal remains have also been uncovered in situ (Peters & Schmidt, 2004), covering a wide range of species, mainly mammals but also a few birds and the occasional fish. Importantly, several radiocarbon dating analyses have been carried out. The earliest calibrated date of the organic content of some wall plaster from one of the enclosures (Enclosure D) corresponds to an incredible 11,530 BP +/- 220 years (Dietrich & Schmidt, 2010). This is just at the end of, or shortly after, the YD period. This begs the question, is there any archaeological evidence here of the proposed event that initiated the YD period over 1,000 years earlier?
... Let us now consider another feature of pillar 43. We suggest the carved circle in the visual centre of pillar 43 can be interpreted as the sun, and the pillar is communicating a date, i.e. it is a "date stamp". Normally, the zodiacal epoch is defined by the position of the sun being "in" a particular zodiacal sign at sunrise/sunset on one of four auspicious dates in the year: the spring equinox, summer solstice, autumnal equinox or winter solstice. Using stellarium it is easy to see, when the location is set to Sanliurfa in southren Turkey (which is about 10 miles from Gobekli Tepe) and when we consider these four events1, that the hypothetical date stamp likely corresponds to one of the following four dates (with an error of around +/- 250 years - see Figure 6):
2,000 AD - Winter solstice
4,350 BC - Autumnal equinox
10,950 BC - Summer solstice
18,000 BC - Spring equinox
_These dates correspond to those when, according to stellarium, the sun is slightly above the spout of the teapot asterism of Sagittarius, i.e. when the circle-sun is just above the right wing of the vulture on the pillar. Note that it does not matter if we use the morning sunrise or evening sunset to locate the zodiacal sign - they give the same result. However, the orientation of the constellations with respect to the horizon does depend on the choice of sunrise or sunset, and for the best agreement with Pillar 43 we choose the sunset.
_Let us now consider these dates. We understand Gobekli Tepe is an authentically ancient site, and we can certainly rule out 2,000 AD. Given the established radiocarbon date [of GT] we can also rule out 4,350 BC. Of the remaining two dates, by far the closest to the radiocarbon date is 10,950 BC, based on the summer solstice, and we suggest therefore that this is the most likely date. When the uncertainty in this date estimate is taken into account, it is in very good agreement with an estimate for the date of the proposed YD event, 10,890 BC (Petaev et al., 2013).
... CONCLUSIONS. According to the catastrophist viewpoint, the Younger-Dryas event was probably caused by a cometary encounter with the Taurid complex. Can we now confirm this? No. What we can say is the following:
_ It is very likely that the people of GT had been keen astronomers for a very long time, and the low-relief carvings of animals (except snakes) symbolise specific asterisms. Pillar 43 very likely refers to the date 10,950 BC +/- 250 yrs.
_ There is a consistent interpretation of much other symbolism at GT in terms of the YD event as a cometary encounter, which supports the theory of coherent catastrophism. But we cannot be as confident in this proposal as the proposal for the date stamp. Other evidence from further excavations at GT and other sites may help to clarify this. Evidence linking GT to coherent catastrophism is as follows:
_1) A great deal of physical evidence from a wide range of earth sciences appears to support the proposal that a major event occurred around 10,890 BC. A leading candidate for this event is a cometary encounter consistent with coherent catastrophism. The date stamp on pillar 43 corresponds closely with this date.
_2) That the people of GT remained interested in this date even several millennia later suggests it was a very important event that had a significant impact on their cultural development.
_3) The headless man on pillar 43 indicates the event led to loss of life.
_4) Symbolism on pillar 18 is consistent with an event of cosmic origin. The fox symbolism, in particluar, suggests a cosmic event originating from a specific position. The belt-buckle, "eclipse" and snake symbols are consistent with a cometary encounter. But the symbolism on pillar 18 might be consistent with other astronomical interpretations as well that we have not considered.

Off Topic / Favorites
« on: March 28, 2018, 05:49:21 pm »



CHR: LenKin rawanti

« on: March 27, 2018, 03:12:51 pm »
Subject: More YDI
Date: Fri, March 16, 2018 10:49 pm
I read a paper a few years ago by the Firestone group that showed in detail why those who critiqued their earlier paper were way wrong. First two items may be part of that paper.

Independent evaluation of conflicting microspherule results from different investigations of the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis

Faulty protocols yield contaminated samples, unconfirmed results

Clovis Comet? The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis Gets a Bayesian Beating… And Survives!

(My) Reply to YDI Skeptics (2014)

Chandler on the YDI Hypothesis

Support: comet impact may have triggered the Younger Dryas period (2012)

Carolina Bays are shock liquefaction impact features from hypersonic ice boulders launched from glacial ice sheet by cosmic impact at Younger Dryas

Last Ice Age happened in less than year say scientists

The statement that an Ice Age started in less than a year seems entirely plausible, but dating said Ice Age to 13,000 years ago based on varves seems unreliable, as per the following

The Northeast impact Zone and the destruction of the Laurentide Ice Sheet

A Catastrophe of Comets (bunch of articles such as 2 following)
Mirror site:

The Younger Dryas – The Rest of The Story (2012+?)

A thermal airburst impact structure

New study claims Göbleki Tepe may have been used to record meteor impacts, including Younger Dryas Event in 10890 BC (Make that 2,000BC)

Two New Papers Suggest a Catastrophic Extraterrestrial Impact Event Occurred 12,000 Years Ago

Dennis Cox has reported on a major crater field in W Texas and New Mexico (re Younger Dryas: I was communicating with Cox in 2010)

New evidence of Younger Dryas extraterrestrial impact

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