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« on: May 16, 2017, 10:50:40 am »
Re: Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780&p=88481#p88481
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131015094026.htm
Lightning strikes causing rocks to explode have for the first time been shown to play a huge role in shaping mountain landscapes in southern Africa
My own view is that Earth’s mountains formed recently (within the last 250,000 years?)during a planet shattering cataclysm. A disruption of Earth's rotation resulted in repeated ocean surges forming immense plateaus of sedimentary rock were the ocean waters met pre-existing land areas. These plateaus were then etched by huge electrical discharges leaving behind the typical Lichtenberg morphology we see in many mountain ranges today.

- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780&p=88615#p88615
- I used the date of 250,000 years ago for the period of mountain building as an upper limit. My preferred age would be 20,000 +/- 10,000 years ago. I base this on the convergence of radiocarbon ages of ‘fossilised’ soft tissue from dinosaurs, megafauna etc. which were preserved in the same cataclysmic event that led to the formation of today’s mountain ranges. (I realise that problems exist regarding carbon dating but it’s the best I can do!)
- Whilst I have no problems with airborne material settling and forming layers (from a later electrical event), the fossil record primarily indicates a watery catastrophe. 95% of the fossil record consists of marine invertebrates, 4.75% plants [not including coal?], 0.24% insects and 0.01% fish, amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals, basically everything else!
- In my scenario as Earth’s rotation was disrupted not only did the ocean waters rush poleward but Coriolis forces led to immense ocean gyres causing ‘sloshing’ (to borrow a term). Where the flow was restricted by then existing landmasses, ranges such as the Alps and Himalaya formed. The Rockies and Andes formed due to the north-south orientation of the Americas acting as a simple barrier to the waters of the proto-Pacific.
- At this stage only immense plateaus of folded sediment (were we now find mountain ranges) existed and helped protect continental interiors from further devastating inundations. Electrical events now machined these plateaus forming the typical Lichtenberg morphology (this would have been the time when large amounts of airborne dust would have been present). The Tibetan Plateau is a good example of this, with the Himalaya to the south and Tian Shan to the north (perhaps the Taklimakan Desert is a depository for some machined material?)
- To my mind, Paul E. Anderson has done excellent work demonstrating the evidence for the electrical scarring of Earth’s surface: likewise, your work on external granite and basalt – again excellent. This is why I think the main erosive agent would have electrical discharge rather than water and why we find fossilised sea creatures in concretions (electrical fossilisation?) in mountainous areas.
- I also think that Earth’s carbonate strata and salt deposits are igneous in origin, that’s why we find carbonate in comets- it was machined from the Earth! Where from exactly, I don’t know but every time I look at the Pacific Ocean I wonder…

Re: Rock Strata Formation
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3134&p=116046#p116046
- Is the K-T Boundary Layer a Coal Seam?

- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3134&p=116129#p116129
The information comes from ‘Creation of the Teton Landscape’ by Love, Reed and Pierce 2007. An earlier online edition with imperial as opposed to metric units can be found here:
https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/grte/grte_geology/sec6.htm
... If we look at the strata concerned in the Alaska Basin: Flathead, Gros Ventre, Gallatin, Bighorn, Darby and Madison that gives us a deposit of some 2,455 feet, newer estimates may have been revised lower.
- According to the authors: ‘The regularity and parallel relations of the layers in well-exposed sections such as the one in Alaska Basin suggest that all these rocks were deposited in a single uninterrupted sequence. ...

- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3134&p=116131#p116131
- Did Limestone form catastrophically?
- ... Carbonatites are an unusual type of rock consisting of greater than 50% carbonate minerals and have a global distribution. The only active carbonatite volcano is Ol Doinyo Lengai in Tanzania; the lavas of Ol Doinyo Lengai are rich in the rare sodium and potassium carbonate minerals and are known as Natrocarbonatites. Other forms include Ferrocarbonatite, Calciocarbonatite and Magnesiocarbonatite.
- Carbonate rocks are not usually thought of as being igneous in origin but the idea is not a new one.
From an article in Nature (142: 704-705, 1938) ‘Limestones as Eruptive Rocks’, we read ‘…so early as 1892, some limestones occurring in the form of dykes and cutting the volcanic rocks of the Kaiserstuhl in Baden, were described by A. Knop, and three years later A. G. Hogbom described limestone dykes in a region of alkali-rich intrusive on the island of Alno in Sweden. Hogbom also recorded calcite as a primary mineral in some rocks at Alno, and there were other descriptions of primary calcite in alkali-eruptive rocks from Canada and India.’ ...
- Could it be that the guyots and seamounts of the western Pacific Ocean are all that remains of a former carbonatite/carbonate platform; a platform that was easily eroded by wave action during a cataclysm, the erosional products of which were transported far to the east to be deposited on a pre-existing landmass? Were Calciocarbonatites and Magnesiocarbonatites eroded re-worked and deposited as limestone and dolomite? If so, then perhaps limestone and dolomite should be re-classified as ‘catastrophites’! ...

An Alternative to Plate and Expansion Tectonics
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=116157#p116157
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=116158#p116158
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=116159#p116159
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=116175#p116175
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=116266#p116266
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117111#p117111
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117113#p117113
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117150#p117150
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117163#p117163
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117201#p117201
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117257#p117257
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117279#p117279
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117307#p117307
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117330#p117330
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117331#p117331
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117342#p117342
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117464#p117464
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117709#p117709
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117800#p117800
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=117839#p117839
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118064#p118064
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118085#p118085
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118086#p118086
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118163#p118163
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118197#p118197
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118250#p118250
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118319#p118319
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118324#p118324
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=118435#p118435
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534&p=119121#p119121

Catastrophist Geology
- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16703&p=119310#p119310
- ... Does the Western Interior Seaway Have a Catastrophic Explanation?
- ... Creationist researcher Michael Oard in his book ‘Dinosaur Challenges and Mysteries’ (see: http://creation.com/dinosaur-challenges-and-mysteries) introduces to the reader a hypothesis he calls BEDS (Briefly Exposed Diluvial Sediments) which is required under the creationist model to explain the strata and fossil distribution found in this band running the length of North America.
- From another article (see: http://creation.com/dino-stampede) Oard writes, ‘There is another interpretation that also fits the facts and that is the BEDS (Briefly Exposed Diluvial Sediments) hypothesis…The BEDS model is based on the fact that the level of the Floodwater would fluctuate up and down as it rose in the first half of the Flood.
- ...  John Baumgardner, ran computer models of a repeated near Earth encounter by a planet/moon sized body. Regarding the simulation he writes: ‘Although the water initially is at rest, accelerations from the giant tidal perturbation quickly lead to water velocities of 270 m/s (metres per second) and more, with high levels of turbulence, intense cavitation erosion, and sediment suspended and transported for thousands of kilometres, as surges of water rush into the continent interior.
- ... The Phanerozoic rock record covering or partly covering North America is comprised of six megasequences (megasequences are discrete groups of sedimentary rock layers bounded top and bottom by erosional surfaces, often with coarse sandstone layers at the bottom, followed by shale, and then limestone at the top),
- ... Experiments in stratification by Guy Berthault
- ... a. Superposed strata do not always result, according to Steno’s beliefs, from successive layers of sediment; consequently the principle of superposition does not always apply to strata formed in a current;
b. Stratification formed parallel to a slope exceeding an angle of 30°, can invalidate the principle of original horizontally. Inclined strata are not necessarily, therefore, the result of subsidence or uplift.’ ...

- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16703&p=119462#p119462
- Did Limestone form catastrophically? ...

- http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16703&p=119577#p119577
- ... Whilst not all geological features require or necessitate an electrical aspect, in my view an electric discharge was the ‘prime mover’ during a catastrophic period of earth history. During this period both the characteristics of the Earth and its environment changed, a change the Earth is, even today, adjusting to- hence my thread ‘An Alternative to Plate and Expansion Tectonics’.
- I agree with your comment regarding salt, salt is certainly an igneous rock and I hope to post another contribution soon looking at a role played by salt- quite obviously I view the consensus geological explanation- vast dried up seas- with a large slice of scepticism! Salt may also play an important electrical role today something I touched on in ‘An Alternative to Plate and Expansion Tectonics’ given the amount of brines discovered by superdeep drilling projects- did conductive salt magmas play an electrical role in a past cataclysm? ...
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